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Max Boot: Support Dems

Polaris said:
IMO the Democrats need to ratchet up the anger. "These bad things are going on in your name and are negatively going to affect you soon, if they aren't already, and Republicans are trying to prevent you from doing something about it." Make it personal.
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No, libtards with Trump Derangement Syndrome need to stop insulting Trump supporters, or they'll never win another election.


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dudalb said:
Max Boot is not asking people to join the Democratic Party;he makes clear he had considerable distate for a lot of Democrats and their policies;but he thinks putting at least one part of government in a position to block Trump has become critical to saving Democracy in the US.
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Congress is doing a fine job of blocking Trump so far.
 
Polaris said:
That's why the name sounded so familiar!



IMO the Democrats need to ratchet up the anger. "These bad things are going on in your name and are negatively going to affect you soon, if they aren't already, and Republicans are trying to prevent you from doing something about it." Make it personal.
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ANd the GOP managed to win the House in 2010 doing nothing but running against Obama.
I think the Don just does not get that US politics is different the UK politics..it's a lot rowdier and is often driven by dislike of the other party.
His list of outcomes in November is also limited;like a scenario in which the Dems do not win the house but come within four or five seats of doing so,giving them a de facto ablity to block most legislation.
 
acbytesla said:
No it's not.
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To be fair, Trump hasn't really done much that Congress could block anyway. But voting for more Democrats won't solve that.

Basically Max Boot is calling for progressives to get SCOTUS nominations. And somehow other progressives instantly believe that this is a program all conservatives should understand and support.

I didn't pay attention to Max Boot before he went anti Trump. Why would I pay attention to him now?
 
theprestige said:
To be fair, Trump hasn't really done much that Congress could block anyway. But voting for more Democrats won't solve that.

Basically Max Boot is calling for progressives to get SCOTUS nominations. And somehow other progressives instantly believe that this is a program all conservatives should understand and support.

I didn't pay attention to Max Boot before he went anti Trump. Why would I pay attention to him now?
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This is simply not true. Trump is decimating agency after agency from the justice department to the EPA to the State Department to the DOE, HUD, OSHA Department of Labor and others. The executive branch runs them but Congress has oversight on all of it.
 
theprestige said:
Congress is doing a fine job of blocking Trump so far.
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Congress cannot block trump from emboldening our enemies weakening our alliances and disparaging our elections and government institutions. Words matter, esp. When they're the president's. Oh yes, he's also a racist misogynist incompetent bullying serial liar.

Do you regret your trump vote yet? You eventually will, you know.
 
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theprestige said:
So are you. What does he tell me that adds any weight to the opinion you're already pushing?
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How many former republicans have to warn you about a specific republican president before you pay attention? Have you EVER heard members of a party talk about their own president this way?
 
theprestige said:
So are you. What does he tell me that adds any weight to the opinion you're already pushing?
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He's a respected conservative Republican -- and not the only one -- trying to tell you the price of the right-wing SC judge or tax cut or whatever it is you think you'll get from the self-obsessed, self-serving, weak and fragile traitor in the White House, and it only carries the same weight as an anonymous liberal on the net?

You do make a good case for why nobody should care what it would take to change your mind. That'll happen or it won't; Democrats need to focus their efforts where it's more likely to produce results -- like making so much noise that even low-information voters can hear it.
 
dudalb said:
ANd the GOP managed to win the House in 2010 doing nothing but running against Obama.
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That's the GOP - they're appealing to an entirely different demographic, one where "vote against the n-word" is going to work just fine.

dudalb said:
I think the Don just does not get that US politics is different the UK politics..it's a lot rowdier and is often driven by dislike of the other party.
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I may not get US politics, who knows, but successful Democratic Party candidates in the modern era have been young and have been absolute rock stars. Both Bill Clinton and Barack Obama are excellent orators, but more than that they had something about them which inspired the electorate.

The unsuccessful candidates, Dukakis, Mondale, Gore, Kerry and Hillary were all arguably highly competent legislators, smart people who would be willing to work hard for the American people, but they completely lacked the *it* factor to get Democratic Party voters out in force.

IMO Democratic Party voters want to be wooed into voting for the candidate. GOP voters are far more reliable, though in their case they seem to want someone they can relate to, and have a beer with, Reagan, George W Bush, Donald Trump and are less worried about personality.

George H W Bush is an outlier but I'd say he was Reagan's third term and as soon as he was "rumbled", he failed to be reelected.

dudalb said:
His list of outcomes in November is also limited;like a scenario in which the Dems do not win the house but come within four or five seats of doing so,giving them a de facto ablity to block most legislation.
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As other posters have pointed out, the ability merely to block legislation may actually backfire on the Democratic Party. GOP voters may be perfectly happy for their representatives to be wholly obstructionist, after all Conservatism should be about preserving the status quo so stopping new legislation is a good second best to getting your own legislation through. Progressives want change so will be turned off by the Democratic Party becoming 100% obstructionist.

In any case, IMO it would just result in President Trump and his administration increasingly resorting to rule by executive order and/or underfunding - neither of which is a good thing.
 
The Don said:
I may not get US politics, who knows, but successful Democratic Party candidates in the modern era have been young and have been absolute rock stars. Both Bill Clinton and Barack Obama are excellent orators, but more than that they had something about them which inspired the electorate.
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I've seen a few articles pointing this out, critical of the Dems for failing to nurture younger candidates.

Now they've got a situation with the old guard of people in the 70's and 80's mostly running the show, and an insurgent force of people in their twenties and thirties - but not so many in between. They have a younger voter base, but can't get them to be motivated to get out for people forty and fifty (or more) years older than so much of their base. The Dem base wants change, but perhaps does not see such elderly people as the best agent for that change.

The GOP, by comparison, has a good number of people in their 40's and 50's in power. The GOP base wants to preserve the status quo or set back the clock a bit, they see somewhat younger politicians who feel that way as a way of holding the line for some time.
 
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