Materialism (championed by Darwinists) makes reason Impossible.

[Brainache]

The book cited in post #1 goes on to say this on pgs. 129-130.

"Not only is reason impossible in a Darwinian world, but the Darwinist's assertion that we should rely on reason alone cannot be justified. Why not? Because reason actually requires faith. As J. Budziszewski points out, "The motto 'Reson Alone!' is nonsense anyway. Reason itself presupposes faith. Why? Because a defense of reason by reason is circular, therefore worthless. Our only guarantee that human reason works is God who made it.""

So they are saying that using faith to reach conclusions about the real world is useless? I agree.

 

[DOC]

If this is the best christian apologists can come up with then their goose is cooked.

Explain?

 

[DOC]

Do you feel embarrassed to be supporting a book that is obviously gibberish?

No, please explain why you think it is gibberish.

 

[Ray Brady]

Because reason actually requires faith.

It doesn't. Reason functions perfectly well even if the reasoner doesn't have faith that it will. Just like gravity functions even if I don't believe in it.

The fact that most people have faith in their reasoning abilities is the result of their reason consistently providing beneficial results. It is not a prerequisite for that reason.

 

[Mashuna]

Because it rests on this particular argument:

For if mental processes are nothing but chemical reactions in the brain, then there is no reason to believe that anything is true

Which is gibberish. As has been pointed out already.

 

[DOC]

So they are saying that using faith to reach conclusions about the real world is useless? I agree.

Where do they say that?

 

[Resume]

I could hear Turek shouting this nonsense.
"CHEMICALS DON'T REASON!"

No **** Sherlock; but of course the rest of this dither doesn't follow, though these two nitwits(Turek, Geisler) couldn't figure that out.

 

[DOC]

That has to be one of the stupidest statements I've ever read.

Please explain why?

 

[RoboTimbo]

The book cited in post #1 goes on to say this on pgs. 129-130.

"Not only is reason impossible in a Darwinian world, but the Darwinist's assertion that we should rely on reason alone cannot be justified. Why not? Because reason actually requires faith. As J. Budziszewski points out, "The motto 'Reson Alone!' is nonsense anyway. Reason itself presupposes faith. Why? Because a defense of reason by reason is circular, therefore worthless. Our only guarantee that human reason works is God who made it.""

So his whole assertion was simply misdirection so that he could sneak his god in without providing evidence for it?

 

[Resume]

Please explain why?

You don't comprehend the non-sequiturs your apologists are pimping?

 

[Foster Zygote]

So you believe intelligence comes from non-intelligent neurons?

You don't? Do you doubt the function of an automobile because none of its thousands of individual components can be driven?

 

[Foster Zygote]

Please explain why?

It is stupid because its author ignores, or is completely ignorant of, the phenomena of emergent properties. To think that something cannot perform a function simply because its simplest components cannot individually perform the same function is ludicrous.

 

[Foster Zygote]

So the interconnectivity of chemicals is the source of reason in your opinion?

It is not mere opinion that cognition results from chemical interactions. We know this because we can alter cognition by altering brain chemistry.

 

[Brainache]

So they are saying that using faith to reach conclusions about the real world is useless? I agree.

Where do they say that?

Where they say that science is useless because it is based on faith.

 

[Cainkane1]

No, please explain why you think it is gibberish.

The books gibberish because it says things that aren't true and are easy to rebut.

 

[TubbaBlubba]

DOC my boy, didn't that book get torn apart back in... Oh, what was the thread... Something about evidence?

 

[X]

An argument disproved by alcohol.

Haven't seen that before. So at least it's new.

 

[Lord Emsworth]

"Our only guarantee that human reason works is God who made it.""

No idea how that notion is supposed to be a guarantee. Or what that notion is supposed to mean. Something in me calls for clarification about this God-thing 'making' it. While something else tells me not to be so deluded; it is not going to happen.

 

[ddt]

So you believe intelligence comes from non-intelligent neurons?

Yes. Just as intelligence in computers ultimately comes from dumb transistors, arranged in logic gates, in their turn arranged into memory, processor etc. in a Von Neumann architecture, and with layers of software on top of that.

The book cited in post #1 goes on to say this on pgs. 129-130.

"Not only is reason impossible in a Darwinian world, but the Darwinist's assertion that we should rely on reason alone cannot be justified. Why not? Because reason actually requires faith. As J. Budziszewski points out, "The motto 'Reason Alone!' is nonsense anyway. Reason itself presupposes faith. Why? Because a defense of reason by reason is circular, therefore worthless. Our only guarantee that human reason works is God who made it.""

That paragraph is not even wrong.

 

[joobz]

Considering how wrong geisler has been on other subjects, I am not surprised that he is wrong about the nature of reason.

DOC, the organic nature of our mental ability is one of the hallmarks of modern neurology. Starting with Phineas Gage, heading to the LCD experiments and now with studies involving fMRI. It's a fundamental principle of medicine. It's what has replaced antiquated notions such as demons and possessions. Geisler is arguing for an anti-reason based world view. He hasn't made a logical critique of science. He has created a fuzzy fiction blanket solely designed to swaddle his fragile beliefs.