Massive Truther Rally 9/11/07 in New York

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Even the Wife-Carrying World Championships in Sonkajärvi, Finland gathered an audience of 6000 people.

In 2005 they even had, believe or not, Dennis Rodman participating. That is some funny stuff.

 

[timhau]

So... the twoofer movement is trying to propagate itself by deluding timid schoolkids who are too scared to take a 15 minute bus ride from their home?

Frankly, that's outrageous.

 

[geni]

It's the fairly standard problem of trying to turn online enthusiasm into meatspace action.

 

[Undesired Walrus]

Only 8m? That's practically tiny! Don't tell the rest of the world how small it is.

London is 12 million! Suck on that!

 

[Regnad Kcin]

22 million includes all the incorporated areas, much like Vancouver.

Only 8m? That's practically tiny! Don't tell the rest of the world how small it is.

Seriously, though, by NYC, I meant the NYC metropolitan area, and I think the population is around 22 million.

8 mil is for the five boroughs. That is, New York City.

May I see a source for your 22, please?

 

[timhau]

Wikipedia gives the NYC metropolitan area population as just over 18.7 million.

 

[jhunter1163]

I guess it depends on what you call the NYC metro area. How much of Jersey and Long Island and Connecticut to include? Hmmm... my guess is that if you include North Jersey, western Long Island and extreme southwest Connecticut, you'll find your 22 million all right. So, within an hour's drive (or bus or subway ride) you've got 22 million people and you can't get 5,000 to show up in FOUR DAYS? How pathetic is that?

I'll answer my own question. VERY pathetic.

 

[Foolmewunz]

8 mil is for the five boroughs. That is, New York City.

May I see a source for your 22, please?

Well, get yourself in a helicopter above Times Square, then allow yourself the rough equivalent of what they consider Greater London, Ciudad de Mexico, or Los Angeles, roughly fifteen miles in all directions. You'd see where the population comes from.

New York City abuts the New Jersey border, so the entire community on the west shore of the Hudson River (Hoboken, Jersey City, even out to Newark) is really a feeder community to New York. There are subways (PATH trains) running out to Newark.

If you go in the other directions (East and North), there are dozens of communities that don't exist without New York. Basically all of Westchester County and all of Long Island up to The Hamptons and a little farther.

I once added them all, and you come up with a Metropolitan area of 22 to 25 million.

If you follow MacLuhan's old adage about a metropolis representing the extent of it's broadcast, then that whole area is essentially part of New York. There are TV and Radio stations situated in other incorporated cities/communities, but only for tax and cost reasons. They're there to service the metropolitan area.

I live in Hong Kong, which claims 8.5 million. The density here is unbelievable, but mostly due to much uninhabitable land. The density of traffic and people in New York, just to the eye, is much greater. There is no way that Hong Kong is the same size as New York. (At least not right now.... in ten/fifteen years as they fill in the area between Hong Kong and the old border, which will cease to exist according to the government in 2022, Hong Kong will be a metropolis of about 20/25 million also.)

 

[chippy]

Damn, my mom said I can only go either the 10th or the 11th. I'll try to persuade her to let me go to both, but what do you guys think will be a better day?

For a 9/11 protest rally? GEE, I WONDER.

 

[Foolmewunz]

For a 9/11 protest rally? GEE, I WONDER.

Ah, but....

The consensus on the LCF is that the 10th would be better. Just a boring old memorial on the 11th... of no significance at all compared to a Reo Whatisface concert and the premier of LCFCWRMITT (Loose Change Final Cut We Really Mean It This Time).

 

[Regnad Kcin]

Again, as seen in post #16, I was responding to LashL's claim that the population of NYC (which I take to mean the city, not parts of New Jersey or any other outlying area) is 22 million. It isn't.

 

[Foolmewunz]

Again, as seen in post #16, I was responding to LashL's claim that the population of NYC (which I take to mean the city, not parts of New Jersey or any other outlying area) is 22 million. It isn't.

We got that - I believe we agree on the population of the five boroughs. (I'm taking liberties with Lash's interpretation, but I think I'm right.)

I was just answering the "where'd you get that figure" part.

 

[Thunder]

8 million new yorkers..fyi.

 

[Regnad Kcin]

We got that - I believe we agree on the population of the five boroughs. (I'm taking liberties with Lash's interpretation, but I think I'm right.)

I was just answering the "where'd you get that figure" part.

I see. Thanks.

 

[Triterope]

I guess it depends on what you call the NYC metro area. How much of Jersey and Long Island and Connecticut to include?

Metropolitan areas are explicitly defined by the Census bureau. According to their definition for NYC -- which has to do with things like how many people commute from the suburbs to the core for work -- the NYC metro area population is about 18.7 million.

There are also Combined Statistical Areas, which are adjacent metropolitan areas that have a lesser degree of interrelation with the core. For NYC, this adds most of Connecticut and New Jersey, and raises the total population to about 22 million, the figure LashL gave.

Getting back to the Twoof rally, it should also be said that the metro areas of Philadelphia (5.8 million), Washington DC (5.3 million) Boston (4.5 million), and Baltimore (2.5 million), are all within 250 miles of New York City. That's another 18 million people.

So you've got at least 40 million people within a four-hour drive of this place, and these 9-11 Twoof imbeciles currently have about 100 web signups for a once-a-year event commemorating a major event in history, which large numbers of this 40 million have a deep personal connection to.

Based on these numbers, 9-11 Truth doesn't even qualify as a hobby.

 

[timhau]

So you've got at least 40 million people within a four-hour drive of this place, and these 9-11 Twoof imbeciles currently have about 100 web signups for a once-a-year event commemorating a major event in history, which large numbers of this 40 million have a deep personal connection to.

Based on these numbers, 9-11 Truth doesn't even qualify as a hobby.

I'm trying to put this into perspective. I live in Finland, which has a population of just over 5 million. 100 out of 40 million is about the same frequency as 13 out of 5 million. An Australian Rules Football team fields 18 players per team, and apparently Finland has scraped together an Aussie Rules national team, despite the fact that very few here have even heard of the sport and even fewer know anything about the rules.

Ergo, 9-11 Truth in the US Northeast is a more marginal phenomenon than Australian Rules Football in Finland. Nice going, Twoofs.

 

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I'm trying to put this into perspective. I live in Finland, which has a population of just over 5 million. 100 out of 40 million is about the same frequency as 13 out of 5 million. An Australian Rules Football team fields 18 players per team, and apparently Finland has scraped together an Aussie Rules national team, despite the fact that very few here have even heard of the sport and even fewer know anything about the rules.

Ergo, 9-11 Truth in the US Northeast is a more marginal phenomenon than Australian Rules Football in Finland. Nice going, Twoofs.

Wohou, a fellow Finn!

 

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Wohou, a fellow Finn!

ETA: I read that article about Aussie football in Finland. That was quite interesting. I didn't know we had any teams here, but it seems we have even won some European title.

ETA in ETA: Damn these small buttons.

 

[TjW]

I'm surprised there aren't more of them in NYC itself. There's no excuse here -- even if it's too far for the average Truther to hitchhike, can't take a day off work without being demoted back to the fry machine, Mom won't let them, etc., they still should be able to muster a much larger turnout.
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I think the fact it's in NYC may be part of the problem. There is a much better chance there that a random person either:

Was an eyewitness.
Knows an eyewitness.
Knew a victim.
Volunteered in the cleanup.
Knows someone who volunteered in the cleanup.

People in those categories might understandably get a trifle upset with a group treating 9/11 as a hobby.

 

[timhau]

ETA: I read that article about Aussie football in Finland. That was quite interesting. I didn't know we had any teams here, but it seems we have even won some European title.

Yes. Definite proof that it's going to be the most popular sport in the country just before the Truth movement revolution.