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Mass Shooting on the Las Vegas strip

smartcooky said:
Not exactly a prediction, but the fact that "Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) included a ban on the devices in her failed 2013 bill to ban assault weapons" would suggest that at least she saw the potential for these things to be used to subvert the laws against fully automatic weapons.



Yes, he did have at least one rifle fitted with a bump-stock.

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/10/04/us/bump-stock-las-vegas-shooting/index.html

Look, while I understand that these bump stock/slide fire attachments are not technically illegal, I wish the gun advocates here would stop burying their collective heads in the sands of denial by pretending that these are anything other then a way to make a semi-automatic weapon attain a rate of fire approaching that of a fully automatic weapon.

The fact that they don't alter the firing mechanism is totally irrelevant. The only thing that matters is that they allow the shooter to have a high rate of fire approaching that of a machine gun, allowing someone like Stephen Paddock to shoot more people than he otherwise would.
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Here's the thing - "bumpfire" existed long before there were any commercial product to facilitate that function.



I can do it. I learned about as a kid on the M1 carbine over 50 years ago. I can do it with a handgun as well. There are many videos on YT explaining the procedure.

As a practical manner the stocks are already going to be banned, but the actual function that is being addressed can easily be duplicated by someone who wishes to do so without any such device.
 
smartcooky said:
Not exactly a prediction, but the fact that "Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) included a ban on the devices in her failed 2013 bill to ban assault weapons" would suggest that at least she saw the potential for these things to be used to subvert the laws against fully automatic weapons.
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Seeing as how there seems to be little that goes bang she doesn't want to ban, I'd say she is bound to include something that is going to be abused.

smartcooky said:
Yes, he did have at least one rifle fitted with a bump-stock.
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As far as I know he had a dozen rifles modified with slide fire stocks. Did he use one of them or another rifle without? Probably with, but a lawyer might want to know for sure prior to suing.

smartcooky said:
Look, while I understand that these bump stock/slide fire attachments are not technically illegal, I wish the gun advocates here would stop burying their collective heads in the sands of denial by pretending that these are anything other then a way to make a semi-automatic weapon attain a rate of fire approaching that of a fully automatic weapon.
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I was not aware that anyone was saying otherwise. While the inventor promoted it as a way of helping disabled shooters, as far as I know it's always been marketed as the "cheaper next best thing" to full auto.

smartcooky said:
allowing someone like Stephen Paddock to shoot more people than he otherwise would.
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While he was lucky to have an 8 acre target zone to wildly spray into, with the amount of time he had before the police broke down his door, I'm certain he could have done as much damage with standard semi-auto fire.
 
Las Vegas Review-Journal said:
Gunman Stephen Paddock fired more than 1,100 rounds the night of the Las Vegas shooting, Clark County Sheriff Joe Lombardo told the Las Vegas Review-Journal on Wednesday.

The new total includes about 200 rounds fired from Paddock’s Mandalay Bay corner suite and into the hallway of the 32nd floor late Oct. 1, injuring hotel security guard Jesus Campos.

Investigators have not determined why Paddock stopped shooting. Lombardo said they found about 4,000 more rounds of unused ammunition in the gunman’s suite.

The sheriff also mentioned that “multiple weapons” had jammed, as the Review-Journal has previously reported, but Lombardo again did not provide a specific number. He also did not provide a detailed list of the weapons Paddock had available to him...
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https://www.reviewjournal.com/crime...-than-1100-rounds-fired-in-las-vegas-shooting
 
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/01/1...bi-investigating-person-interest-sheriff.html

Investigators scanning computers belonging to Las Vegas shooter Stephen Paddock found “numerous” child pornography photos, the city’s sheriff revealed Friday, adding that the FBI is looking into a person of interest in the case.

It was Joe Lombardo’s first press conference since Oct. 13, 2017.

Police also released a new 81-page preliminary investigative report on the shooting Friday, containing new photographs of Paddock's hotel suite and information on "items of evidentiary value recovered from various scenes."
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Lombardo added that the person of interest is not Marilou Danley
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PDF report:

https://www.lvmpd.com/en-us/Documents/1_October_FIT_Report_01-18-2018_Footnoted.pdf
 
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That email exchange he had with himself is odd.

The coming charge might be for a weapons dealer or maybe one of his brothers.
 
William Parcher said:
That email exchange he had with himself is odd.
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It brings to mind my kids texting each other in the back seat of the car -sharing stuff they don't want to talk about.

I'd guess that's what was happening -two people sending "emails" back and forth to a single account, so that someone else in the room (girlfriend, maybe?)would think they were just busy playing a game or ogling porn.
 
William Parcher said:
He's doing it again. The Sheriff is speculating without factual support. Why is the top cop constantly doing this on national television?
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Because sheriffs are not law enforcement professionals. They are politicians with badges who never stop running at the mouth.
 
This Sheriff is a woo woo who thinks that Paddock had psychic powers. He says that Paddock stopped shooting when he sensed that police were coming. But we already knew and the preliminary report details that he had already stopped shooting before the police got anywhere near him. His surveillance cameras wouldn't have seen them either. The top cop is now famous for nonsense here on ISF.

Paddock was definitely planning to escape the hotel. Not.

We will definitely find a motive for this shooting. Not.
 
https://www.reviewjournal.com/crime...izona-man-who-sold-ammo-to-las-vegas-shooter/
According to the statement from the U.S. attorney’s office, Haig was interviewed by investigators and told them that he reloads ammunition but does not offer reloaded cartridges for sale to his customers. He also said none of the ammunition recovered at Las Vegas crime scenes would have tool marks on them consistent with his reloading equipment.

“Reloaded ammunition refers to ammunition that is manufactured from component parts, including previously fired cartridge cases,” according to the statement. “Based on a forensic examination of rounds recovered in the shooter’s hotel rooms, Haig’s fingerprints were found on reloaded, unfired .308 caliber cartridges. Forensic examination also revealed that armor piercing ammunition recovered inside of the shooter’s rooms had tool marks consistent with Haig’s reloading equipment.”
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"Consistent with" is a rather broad term. Tooling marks are not always as unique as fingerprints either. I wonder who the jury will believe if it goes to trial?

I've ordered surplus components in the past and it's not unusual to get tracer and AP bullets mixed in with the lead core bullets I was paying for.

https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/USCODE-2012-title18/html/USCODE-2012-title18-partI-chap44-sec921.htm
(B) The term “armor piercing ammunition” means—
(i) a projectile or projectile core which may be used in a handgun and which is constructed entirely (excluding the presence of traces of other substances) from one or a combination of tungsten alloys, steel, iron, brass, bronze, beryllium copper, or depleted uranium; or
(ii) a full jacketed projectile larger than .22 caliber designed and intended for use in a handgun and whose jacket has a weight of more than 25 percent of the total weight of the projectile.
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It seems that almost anything can be fired in a handgun these days.

https://regulations.atf.gov/478-37/2016-12100#478-37
No person shall manufacture or import, and no manufacturer or importer shall sell or deliver, armor piercing ammunition, except:
a. The manufacture or importation, or the sale or delivery by any manufacturer or importer, of armor piercing ammunition for the use of the United States....
b. The manufacture, or the sale or delivery by a manufacturer or importer, of armor piercing ammunition for the purpose of exportation; or
c. The sale or delivery by a manufacturer or importer of armor piercing ammunition for the purposes of testing or experimentation ....
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The penalty for using AP ammo during a crime is 5-15 years. I wasn't able to find out what the penalty is for simply selling it without a license.
 
States and cities are taking the lead on bump stock bans

Associated Press said:
In the immediate aftermath of the deadliest mass shooting in modern U.S. history, there was a fevered pitch to ban bump stocks, the device that allowed the shooter's semi-automatic rifles to mimic the rapid fire of machine guns.

With that push stalled at the federal level, a handful of states and some cities are moving ahead with bans of their own.

Massachusetts and New Jersey -- two states at the time led by Republican governors -- as well as the cities of Denver and Columbia, South Carolina, have enacted laws prohibiting the sale and possession of the devices, which were attached to a half-dozen of the long guns found in the hotel room of the Las Vegas shooter who in October killed 58 people and injured hundreds more attending a nearby outdoor concert. A little over a dozen other states are also considering bans on bump stocks...
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http://www.oregonlive.com/today/index.ssf/2018/02/states_and_cities_are_taking_t.html
 
sadhatter said:
Makes more sense to request that venues take events into account and be required to modify their shows. But you know that wouldn't be sticking it to some rednecks who shoot at old trees, so let's go with the feel good ********.
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How would you do that? There are no shortage of outdoor venues that are within sight of taller buildings, or that are somehow visible from off-premises.
 
The final report from the police says that they don't know the motive. This is in spite of Sheriff Lombardo assuring the world early on that they would find the motive.

When asked by the press, Lombardo said his opinion is that it was an act of terrorism but still no motive known. My opinion is that this is yet another piece of crap from his mouth and that it should not be defined as terrorism.

https://www.reviewjournal.com/crime...las-vegas-shooting-unable-to-determine-motive
 
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