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Mass shooting in Philadelphia

You still refuse to get or renew your driving license? Wear a seat-belt? Sit in front of an air-bag? Stick to the road rules? Buy a car without anti-pollution gizmos?

But MAH FREEDUMS!!!!!! Ain't no stinkin' gubmint gonna tell me what I kin do. Damn dumocrats were behind all that nonsense, too.

Back when the fight to make seat belt wearing mandatory was going on, the conservatives were having a snit over their "rights" not to be told by the government what they could do with their own body. No matter that it would save thousands of lives, prevent thousands of horrific injuries, some permanent and life-changing. Sound familiar?

Stephen Teret, a public health expert at Johns Hopkins University, remembers giving presentations on the benefits of seat belts during those times. He heard a lot of pushback.

“People were really offended by the government telling them what to do,” Teret said in an interview.

Mandates regarding seat belts and face masks aren’t totally analogous, he said, in that asking people to wear masks is an effort to protect not just individuals but society at large. The argument against them is the same, though.

“We are a country that very, very much values personal freedoms,” Teret said. “And there are always some people who see their personal freedoms as being more important than the common good. And that’s the fight public health has always had.”

Health and safety rules typically have been upheld as constitutional based on the precedent established in Jacobson v. Massachusetts, a 1905 Supreme Court decision. In a 7-to-2 vote, the court ruled against a Massachusetts minister who was fined $5 for refusing to comply with mandatory smallpox vaccination.

“In every well ordered society charged with the duty of conserving the safety of its members the rights of the individual in respect of his liberty may at times, under the pressure of great dangers, be subjected to such restraint, to be enforced by reasonable regulations, as the safety of the general public may demand,” the majority wrote.

Nevertheless, conservatives hammered Dole on the seat belt issue. Though there were some shrewd politics at play — the seat belt push was, in part, an attempt to placate auto manufacturers that opposed air bags — just the idea of telling citizens how they were supposed to drive was too much for the liberty crowd.

An editorial in the National Review, the conservative opinion magazine founded by William F. Buckley Jr., said that “one of the purest examples of paternalism is the sort of laws enacted in more than a dozen states in the past year compelling the use of seat belts.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2020/07/25/seat-belts-masks-fights-coronavirus/
 
Very sad...... What good does it do to do stuff like this??

At least they got them!!
 
Some of these localities require permits to conceal carry a handgun, but open carrying a rifle requires none.

So you can't carry a pea shooter in you purse without a license, but you can stroll the crowded streets with an AR-15 loaded with a 100rd drum without a license.

Not in California
 
You'll hear that the real problem is that not enough good guys are packing heat. Because as we all know, the guns owned by the 'law abiding' citizens are blessed with magic talismans that ensure they'll only ever be a "tool" for righteous self defense, and never be found in the hand of a child playing around, or a bullied teen, or a jealous mate, or a suicidal husband, or a drunken family member, or a mentally disturbed relative, or a thief, or a home invader who wrests it from a sleep-addled home owner, or.........

Maybe the shooter is the good guy.......:duck:
 
Back when our state first proposed concealed carry, applicants had to pass background checks, and take a certified course on gun-handling, safety, the appropriate laws, and proficiency.
Although there were predictions of a great increase in shooting incidents, that didn’t happen. This was pretty much the case with states enacting similar restrictions.
However, our august legislators here decided to throw all that out the window, and now anyone who can pass the federal background check to buy a gun can carry it as well.

No permit, no license, no training. And... We are getting a whole lot more of these anger-fueled shootings. Road rage, neighborhood arguments, people on mass transit having “issues” with each other..... We get such incidents several times a week.

And to top this off, our legislators want to pass a law making it illegal enforce any federal restrictions in the state. (Which is ludicrous, but hell, that’s Missouri lawmakers)

Colorado has similar requirements for concealed carry and so far has efforts to allow anybody to carry have failed. IMO, what Illinois has done is moving in the wrong direction. I would like to see the kind of education required for concealed carry be required in order to be allowed to own a gun. It certainly wouldn't be a panacea, but it would likely at least eliminate a lot of the stupider accidents that seem to happen all too often. I'm sure a lot of people would consider it a violation of the 2nd amendment, but if it is, maybe the 2nd amendddment needs to be repealed or modified
 
Another mass shooting in Philadelphia Saturday.

The trigger man in this shooting was also a teenager of the historically oppressed variety. He opened fire in the middle of a bowling alley after a fight, killing one and injuring four more.
 
Owning a handgun for the purpose of protecting your home and property is one thing; packing heat on the streets is something else. That's a relatively recent development, in historical terms.

Not in these states. I mean what is the point of owning it if you can't use it?

"An unrestricted jurisdiction is one in which a permit is not required to carry a concealed handgun. This is sometimes called constitutional carry. Within the unrestricted category, there exists states that are fully unrestricted, where no permit is required for lawful open or concealed carry, and partially unrestricted, where certain forms of concealed carry may be legal without a permit, while other forms of carry may require a permit.

As of February 18, 2021, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Idaho, Kansas, Kentucky, Maine, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, New Hampshire, North Dakota (residents only; concealed carry only), Oklahoma, South Dakota, Utah (effective May 5, 2021), Vermont, West Virginia and Wyoming (residents only for concealed carry) do not require a permit to carry a loaded concealed firearm for any person of age who is not prohibited from owning a firearm. "

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concealed_carry_in_the_United_States#:~:text=As%20of%20February%2018%2C%202021,for%20concealed%20carry)%20do%20not

That is the heartland of america and they know that americans don't need training or crap like that to carry concealed. What next mandatory gun safety?
 

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