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Mary Trump's Book

Stacyhs said:
No one thought Trump was going to win in 2016...not even Trump. Why on earth should Mary Trump have come forward then? Speaking up after his election but long before the Nov. 2020 election would also have been a waste of time because people have very short memories. MT's book has absolutely nothing to do with Hillary Clinton being/not being president and why you would even suggest it does is more a comment on your thinking than Mary Trump's.
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I give, I give! Point taken. She didn't know her book would be sorely needed, back in 2016. And this is now the best moment to publish, if she's going to have any chance of saving the country.
 
Belz... said:
Oh, please. The discussion has NOTHING to do with whether Hillary will ever be president. Stop it.
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I was discussing what would have happened if Mary Trump had thought to publish ahead of the 2016 elections. You may not like it, but the outcome of those elections has quite a lot to do with that discussion. Anyway, it's moot now, since we all agree that she couldn't reasonably have known to publish in time to help get Hillary elected. Feel free to move on from the Clinton question whenever you're ready.

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Right now, probably the most interesting thing about the book is the verifiable dirt that she's able to dish. New and true information about Donald Trump that she's in a unique position to provide.

The second most interesting thing about the book, for me, is whether it contains any scholarly psychological analysis of Donald Trump's mental state.
 
abaddon said:
And that sad phrase just sums it up.

Can anyone here explain to me what on earth is with the Bill/Hill obsession?

Not only is Hillary not even a candidate, she clearly stated that she was not remotely interested in being one.
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Buttery males.
 
Unfortunately, this book is not going to be a blockbuster. The information in it just isn't anything we didn't already know. It doesn't look like the SAT thing is going to gain any traction, which it probably shouldn't, being 50 years old and all that. Everything else seems to be "the whole family thinks he's kind of an idiot." And? Tell me something I don't know.

I would like it if someone brought something up that simply couldn't be denied by his defenders, but those defenders are pretty good at denial. I don't see this book being the thing that pulls down the house of cards.
 
Meadmaker said:
Unfortunately, this book is not going to be a blockbuster. The information in it just isn't anything we didn't already know. It doesn't look like the SAT thing is going to gain any traction, which it probably shouldn't, being 50 years old and all that. Everything else seems to be "the whole family thinks he's kind of an idiot." And? Tell me something I don't know.

I would like it if someone brought something up that simply couldn't be denied by his defenders, but those defenders are pretty good at denial. I don't see this book being the thing that pulls down the house of cards.
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Think of the house of cards in terms of Craig4's idea of death by a thousand cuts. This book won't be The One Thing That Brings Down President Trump. Just like none of the other things put forward over the past four years are The One Thing.

But if you take all these little things together, you could build quite a tall house of cards from them. And then you could take the cards and fling them at the President, each one making a little cut and drawing a little blood. Throw enough of these cards, and... Well. Robert's your mother's brother, as they say.

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Didn't Mythbusters do an episode on card-throwing? Maybe they should dust off their machine and take it on tour as the Grant Imahara Memorial Presidential Scaler.
 
Meadmaker said:
Unfortunately, this book is not going to be a blockbuster. The information in it just isn't anything we didn't already know. It doesn't look like the SAT thing is going to gain any traction, which it probably shouldn't, being 50 years old and all that. Everything else seems to be "the whole family thinks he's kind of an idiot." And? Tell me something I don't know.

I would like it if someone brought something up that simply couldn't be denied by his defenders, but those defenders are pretty good at denial. I don't see this book being the thing that pulls down the house of cards.
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Too bad it didn't come out sooner, so we could have the movie version by now!
 
Meadmaker said:
Unfortunately, this book is not going to be a blockbuster. The information in it just isn't anything we didn't already know. It doesn't look like the SAT thing is going to gain any traction, which it probably shouldn't, being 50 years old and all that. Everything else seems to be "the whole family thinks he's kind of an idiot." And? Tell me something I don't know.

I would like it if someone brought something up that simply couldn't be denied by his defenders, but those defenders are pretty good at denial. I don't see this book being the thing that pulls down the house of cards.
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I just finished the book, and I agree with you.

I can't, off the top of my head, recall reading anything shocking or salacious that hadn't already trickled out ahead of publication.

Reading the book will provide much more background on the family as a whole (indeed about the first half of the book does not highlight Donald more than it does any other family member--except for perhaps, Fred Trump). The juicy bits have already been shared. Not to say there is no reason to purchase the book. Even though I learned little new information, I still view buying the book as some tiny thumb in the eye of Donald Trump. Silly, I know.
 
Belz... said:
Oh, please. The discussion has NOTHING to do with whether Hillary will ever be president. Stop it.
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Theprestige doth protest too much, methinks. I've never seen someone work so hard to try and discredit a book/author that will allegedly make no difference.
 
theprestige said:
I give, I give! Point taken. She didn't know her book would be sorely needed, back in 2016. And this is now the best moment to publish, if she's going to have any chance of saving the country.
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Your sarcasm does not make your argument any stronger.
 
Stacyhs said:
Theprestige doth protest too much, methinks. I've never seen someone work so hard to try and discredit a book/author that will allegedly make no difference.
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Don't worry, it's not hard work.

Do you actually have a problem with debating the question of whether the book will make a difference?

Do you think the book will make a difference?
 
theprestige said:
Don't worry, it's not hard work.
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That's good to hear because you certainly spend a lot of time doing so.

Do you actually have a problem with debating the question of whether the book will make a difference?
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Debating in good faith? No. But debating does not include asking the same question over and over after it's already been answered.

Do you think the book will make a difference?
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Maybe. It may influence a few hundred fence sitters in swing states. As previously said, just one more thing on top of so many others can add up.
 
Stacyhs said:
It made sense the first time you got that same answer.
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Both you and Craig4 gave the same answer while I was asleep. From my perspective, both answers came in simultaneously. You find it suspicious that I conceded the point in response to your post instead of Craig's?

The truth is, I read both posts in rapid succession. Craig's post was still percolating when your post reinforced the argument. After giving it a little more thought, I decided the right thing to do was concede the point and let you know. Now I'm beginning to wonder why I bothered.

No good deed goes unpunished, I guess.
 
Will anyone's mind be changed by finding out Mary's book includes scratch-and-sniff stickers of the Trump family?
 
Stacyhs said:
Maybe. It may influence a few hundred fence sitters in swing states. As previously said, just one more thing on top of so many others can add up.
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Resolved: We can probably find a few hundred people who are influenced by anything.

So, okay, I agree with you at least this far: There are probably at least a few hundred people who haven't yet made up their minds about Trump one way or the other, for whom the revelations in this book would make a difference, assuming they read it.*

I'm dubious that there are enough of these people, in swing states, who are going to read the book, and whose votes will actually affect the election, to matter to the election.

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*Here's a question: How many people do you think there are, who don't care enough about Donald Trump to form an opinion about him three years in, but do care about him enough to bother buying and reading this book? I'm sure there are at least a few. But enough to actually matter to the election?

Put it another way: There's a reliable Democratic voter in a swing state that wasn't motivated to go out and vote in 2016. After three and half years under President Trump, they're still not motivated to go out and vote in 2020. How likely do you think it is that they're motivated to go out and buy Mary Trump's book, read it, and reevaluate their motivation based on what it contains?

Yes, it's one more thing that adds up, but you have to add a lot of hundredths of a percent, to add up to a real electoral advantage.
 
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