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Mary Landrieu's Bill

He's not amending the law. No insurers are being compelled to do anything. They just won't be penalized if they choose to continue those plans for another year.

Gee, seeing as how the last few weeks were all about how Obama broke his promise and that cancelled plans were worse than Watergate, you'd think Teabaggers would be elated about it. After all, now no one will lose their plan unless insurance companies, of their own volition, decide to cancel them.

I'm just bemused at why that's not so.

Exactly. Instead they're losing it, because they probably realize that Obama just performed a neat bit of political ju-jitsu on them, taking away their primary talking point. At this point, it is solely up to the insurance companies to allow people to keep their old plans or not.

Now what have the Tea Partiers got to complain about?

:popcorn1
 
Exactly. Instead they're losing it, because they probably realize that Obama just performed a neat bit of political ju-jitsu on them, taking away their primary talking point. At this point, it is solely up to the insurance companies to allow people to keep their old plans or not.

Now what have the Tea Partiers got to complain about?

:popcorn1

Everything Obama says whether it's right or wrong? :D
 
He's not amending the law.
I'm not sure that's true.
No insurers are being compelled to do anything. They just won't be penalized if they choose to continue those plans for another year.
That part is true, but leaves out an important fact: Plans had already been made and actions taken on the assumption that they couldn't continue those plans. Now there's going to be confusion. Are the plans cancelled or not? The insurance companies may need more time to weigh whether they want to continue offering them or not, and at what price. Many meetings and decisions have occur. New letters have to be drafted and sent to customers, some of whom may have already signed up for new insurance on the assumption that they couldn't keep their old insurance.

http://www.businessweek.com/news/20...ncellation-fix-draws-warnings-of-higher-costs

“The complexity of trying to un-cancel millions of canceled individual policies with only six weeks left in the year is staggering,” said Carl McDonald, a health-care analyst at New York-based Citigroup Inc. “We suspect many insurers will choose not to avail themselves of this ‘opportunity.’”

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/15/u...eep-plans-democrat-says.html?hpw&rref=us&_r=0

Also unclear are what prices will be charged by insurers for existing policies that are continued in force through 2014. Insurers generally did not have rates approved for the renewal of such coverage because the policies were supposed to be terminated at the end of this year.

Some state insurance commissioners caught off-guard by the announcement said they did not intend to allow insurers to reinstate the policies. And insurance companies denounced the president’s action.

“Changing the rules after health plans have already met the requirements of the law could destabilize the market and result in higher premiums for consumers,” said Karen M. Ignagni, the president of America’s Health Insurance Plans, a trade group.

“Premiums have already been set for next year based on an assumption about when consumers will be transitioning to the new marketplace,” she said. “If now fewer younger and healthier people choose to purchase coverage in the exchange, premiums will increase, and there will be fewer choices for consumers.”

The National Association of Insurance Commissioners, representing state officials, and the American Academy of Actuaries, a nonpartisan professional group, said the move could threaten the viability of insurance markets operating under rules that provide consumers with new protections starting in 2014.
 
Exactly. Instead they're losing it, because they probably realize that Obama just performed a neat bit of political ju-jitsu on them, taking away their primary talking point. At this point, it is solely up to the insurance companies to allow people to keep their old plans or not.

Now what have the Tea Partiers got to complain about?

:popcorn1

"Political ju-jitsu" is one possible interpretation I suppose. "Desperate flailing" is another.
 
I'm not sure that:

1) It makes sense to allow insurance companies to continue to provide meaningless insurance policies
2) It is legal for either the President or Congress to order them to do so
3) Either one can order them to do so despite a specific law that says you can't.

It's clear that the insurance companies have won this outright.
 
Are there any statistics on the nature of the plans being cancelled . A plan that just covers a little doctor bills and no major medical may be a "junk" plan. But a high deductible hospitalization plan is not in my opinion. It is exactly what insurance is for.
 
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Exactly. Instead they're losing it, because they probably realize that Obama just performed a neat bit of political ju-jitsu on them, taking away their primary talking point. At this point, it is solely up to the insurance companies to allow people to keep their old plans or not.

Now what have the Tea Partiers got to complain about?

:popcorn1

Do you think it is political jujitsu for the president to effectively say "you may not lose the plan you like this year but you will next year. And oh by the way at this late time there is a good chance you won't be able to get the one you are losing anyway"
 
Do you think it is political jujitsu...

Yes, and it is having the desired effect.
... It seemed for the moment to calm rising anger and fear of a political backlash among congressional Democrats who had been threatening to support various legislative solutions opposed by the White House because of their potential to undermine the law.

Senate Democratic leaders said they did not see the need for an immediate legislative fix — a victory for White House officials worried that momentum was building toward consideration of a measure to force the change. ...

Now, with most of the Democrats in Congress calmed down and no longer freaked out by the Republicans' psychological warfare, the ACA can be allowed to move along with more and more people enrolling every day.

Note that in that same article it stated that the Republicans in the House were holding yet another useless vote on repealing the ACA, though they were doing it under the auspices of the kind of regulatory change that Obama has already implemented. The GOP has had its teeth pulled on this, they know it, and they're pissed. So now they're back to their old, useless tricks: wasting time and money, screaming and yelling, and accomplishing absolutely nothing for it.

Too bad. As I said, the ACA will move forward, like it or not.
 
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