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Martin McGuinness dead

The Don said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-39185899

Someone who saw many of his dreams realised through a combination of terrorism and politics. Some no doubt view him as a Mandela figure. As an English person brought up during "the troubles" (and listening to the UK news) I have a different view.
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You would think the Westminster government would learn something about engaging with people who have different views from them and encouraging peaceful processes rather than trying to block them wouldn't you?
 
Archie Gemmill Goal said:
You would think the Westminster government would learn something about engaging with people who have different views from them and encouraging peaceful processes rather than trying to block them wouldn't you?
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Maybe one has to resort to violent non-democratic means in order to get Westminster's attention before they will consider engaging.
 
RIP Martin.

He always stood up for his principles and, unlike most politicians, wasn't just all talk. He was crucial to securing peace in the North by bringing people like himself into the political process and he did that at considerable personal risk to himself. I think history will be kind to him.
 
The Don said:
Maybe one has to resort to violent non-democratic means in order to get Westminster's attention before they will consider engaging.
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But, if they do, they should be hunted down and killed like the mad dogs they are like!!!!
 
Strawberry said:
RIP Martin.

He always stood up for his principles and, unlike most politicians, wasn't just all talk. He was crucial to securing peace in the North by bringing people like himself into the political process and he did that at considerable personal risk to himself. I think history will be kind to him.
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Yes. Because shooting people in the back of the head is just so principled.
 
abaddon said:
Yes. Because shooting people in the back of the head is just so principled.
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Sometimes it is. For example, the IRA volunteer who shot Lenny Murphy was entirely right to do what he did. Of course it would have been better if Murphy had been arrested and sent to prison for the rest of his natural but NI in the 1970s wasn't a place where the police bothered pursuing murderers very hard if their victims were Catholic, and therefore it should come as no surprise that it was also the society that produced the PIRA.

Softy southerners who have never been north of Malahide should probably go back to sipping their lattes and worrying about freedom for Tibet instead of moralising at people who lived through the Troubles in the north.
 
He never changed, he always did what he thought would get the results he wanted. When that was blowing up civilians he did that, when the peace process looked like the best option, he engaged with that too. If it had come about that he believed a second foray into terrorism would have achieved his aims he would have done it no question. Scum. Good riddance.
 
Strawberry said:
RIP Martin.

He always stood up for his principles and, unlike most politicians, wasn't just all talk. He was crucial to securing peace in the North by bringing people like himself into the political process and he did that at considerable personal risk to himself. I think history will be kind to him.
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That’s a pretty good form letter for any murderer-come-statesman!

RIP Martin.

He always stood up for his principles and, unlike most politicians, wasn't just all talk. He was crucial to securing peace in the North by bringing people like himself into the political process and he did that at considerable personal risk to himself. I think history will be kind to him.

RIP Pinochet.

He always stood up for his principles and, unlike most politicians, wasn't just all talk. He was crucial to securing prosperity in Chile by bringing people like himself into the political process and he did that at considerable personal risk to himself. I think history will be kind to him.


Cool.
 
Giz said:
That’s a pretty good form letter for any murderer-come-statesman!

RIP Martin.

He always stood up for his principles and, unlike most politicians, wasn't just all talk. He was crucial to securing peace in the North by bringing people like himself into the political process and he did that at considerable personal risk to himself. I think history will be kind to him.

RIP Pinochet.

He always stood up for his principles and, unlike most politicians, wasn't just all talk. He was crucial to securing prosperity in Chile by bringing people like himself into the political process and he did that at considerable personal risk to himself. I think history will be kind to him.


Cool.
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Here's another quote for you...

"Nobody would talk to us because we don't have any guns." Seamus Mallon, SDLP.

There are some situations in which peaceful methods don't get anywhere, and NI in the past was one of them.
 
Giz said:
That’s a pretty good form letter for any murderer-come-statesman!

RIP Martin.

He always stood up for his principles and, unlike most politicians, wasn't just all talk. He was crucial to securing peace in the North by bringing people like himself into the political process and he did that at considerable personal risk to himself. I think history will be kind to him.

RIP Pinochet.

He always stood up for his principles and, unlike most politicians, wasn't just all talk. He was crucial to securing prosperity in Chile by bringing people like himself into the political process and he did that at considerable personal risk to himself. I think history will be kind to him.


Cool.
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What about

Jeremy Corbyn said:
He was a great family man and my thoughts are with them
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He won't associate with the Queen but he just loves his terrorist friends.
 
Strawberry said:
Here's another quote for you...

"Nobody would talk to us because we don't have any guns." Seamus Mallon, SDLP.

There are some situations in which peaceful methods don't get anywhere, and NI in the past was one of them.
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Martin Luther King faced worse discrimination, and he didn't sink to McGuinness level. You are excusing his methods because you share the same goals... you don't have to do that.
 
Giz said:
Martin Luther King faced worse discrimination, and he didn't sink to McGuinness level. You are excusing his methods because you share the same goals... you don't have to do that.
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Not every African American followed the teachings of Martin Luther King any more than all Irish nationalists followed John Hume. Malcom X was no more a pacifist than McGuinness.

I don't support any return to violence in NI, but I do view the past in less black and white terms than the rest of you because I can see plenty of wrong on the British/Unionist side too. If any of you who are mouthing off about McGuinness and calling him scum grew up in a society where the Shankhill Butchers and the UDA romper rooms were in full swing and the so called police turning a blind eye to it, I wonder how peaceful and law abiding any of you would be. Its easy to judge from the leafy suburbs, but groups like the Provisional IRA don't arise in healthy societies and that's that.
 
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