Mark Roberts Interview on Skeptic Zone

[RedIbis]

Remember, this is a thread about an interview I did about incompetent, dishonest, and fantasy-based truthers.

Is there any other kind according to you? Is there a single skeptic on the face of the planet that has posed a single legitimate question about the official position on 9/11?

 

[applecorped]

Is there any other kind according to you? Is there a single skeptic on the face of the planet that has posed a single legitimate question about the official position on 9/11?

Have you?

 

[RedIbis]

You cannot establish that debunkers get anything wrong, much less get anything wrong out of prejudice.

I really want this to be my new signature, but I suspect my current one is still accurate and irreplacable.

You did not answer my question. You claim no Holocaust denier influence in the 9/11 "truth" movement. Who was the director for the biggest truth conference of 2007?

What the hell is the Truth Movement? It's been pointed out numerous times that there is no such thing, no one belongs to it, pays dues, or elects leaders. Yes, there are some idiots out there who believe they are in such a Truth Movement, and they are just as silly and incorrect.

And at that conference, what did another very influential truther say about the quality of 9/11 research of an egregious Holocaust denier?

You repeatedly submit to this fallacy. You cannot foist upon someone like Willie Rodriguez, someone else's belief simply because he showed up to a conference. As I've heard Willie personally say, he will tell his story to anyone, anywhere. All the better that racists hear it.

You're just building a strawman because you don't want to discuss the specifics.

 

[applecorped]

So, that's a no then. Thanks.

 

[mchapman]

You cannot establish that debunkers get anything wrong, much less get anything wrong out of prejudice.

Stop lying. How is it possible, mchapman, that you are capable of writing but not reading?

You did not answer my question. You claim no Holocaust denier influence in the 9/11 "truth" movement. Who was the director for the biggest truth conference of 2007?

And at that conference, what did another very influential truther say about the quality of 9/11 research of an egregious Holocaust denier?

And whose book did the keynote speaker at that conference praise?

I couldn't care less about that conference. It was attended mainly by people trying to discredit the truth movement. Note that the loose change people didn't attend. They made it plain they want to distance themselves from any anti semitism, but you don't like mentioning that.

 

[MarkyX]

Can't say I'm surprised by your failure to either understand the relevance or overcome your own dogma. The people I've named above are among the people who can legitimately be called prominent early figures in the 'truth movement'.

You haven't explained how they "can legitimately be called prominent early figures in the 'truth movement'"

Dropping random names doesn't help. What did they do? What did they say? How were their actions relevant to the foundation of the 9/11 deniers?

 

[Tippit]

You consider it a good thing when people believe 100% false information? When "In Plane Site," the "pod" movie, is influential? When Muslims don't believe that Muslims were behind the 9/11 attacks?

If Muslims weren't behind the attacks, then who was, mchapman? Present your evidence.

There are between 1 and 1.8 billion muslims in the world. That's a pretty big conspiracy.

If Christians weren't behind the invasion of Iraq, who was?

 

[mchapman]

You haven't explained how they "can legitimately be called prominent early figures in the 'truth movement'"

Dropping random names doesn't help. What did they do? What did they say? How were their actions relevant to the foundation of the 9/11 deniers?

You seem to have missed the people I mentioned. Mike Ruppert lecturing on PNAC et al in october 2001. Meyssan starting the pentagon theories in early 2002. Neither of these are anti semetic. You are making it up that holocaust deniers started the 911 truth movement. It's a convenient strawman you created early on when you saw that you didn't have facts. What an awful way to abuse the suffering of Jews in incidents like the holocaust.

 

[Totovader]

Can you name any prominent experts of the "official story" that base their conclusion on this supposed "racism"? If not, then this is simply a tu quoque- though I don't speak for Gravy, I personally believe that the anti-Semitism is a symptom of the irrationality of conspiracism and leads to conspiracist ideology.

Furthermore, are these "racists" in a higher majority among the scientific community- or is it simply the case that since the vast majority of experts, witnesses, and laymen believe the scientific version of the events- that there is likely to be a mix of people in there who also happen to be racist?

In other words- one is a symptom of the other, but your example is simply a statistical occurrence.

*bump #5 for mchapman

 

[mchapman]

Oh, I almost forgot. The very earliest member of the truth movement was Alex Jones. His talk show on the morning of 911 was claiming an inside job just 2 hours after the planes hit the towers. Alex Jones is not a holocaust denier.

People voiced concerns even earlier than that. A libertarian message board in new york had posters claiming Bush had allowed the attacks to happen at 9:06am on 911, just 3 minutes afer the second plane hit. I doubt they were anti semites either.

 

[MarkyX]

Yes, but I consider that a good thing.

Is there something wrong with free speech changing peoples minds?

You consider it a good thing that people believe something based on lies?

Just remember conspiracy theories managed to get this guy in power:

 

[mchapman]

You consider it a good thing that people believe something based on lies?

Just remember conspiracy theories managed to get this guy in power:

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No it was false flag attacks and the people of germany doing what the debunkers are doing that got him in power. If you had lived in germany at the time I am sure you too would have been saying: "Death camp? What death camp? Its a sausage factory"

 

[MarkyX]

Oh, I almost forgot. The very earliest member of the truth movement was Alex Jones. His talk show on the morning of 911 was claiming an inside job just 2 hours after the planes hit the towers. Alex Jones is not a holocaust denier.

And this doesn't ring any warning bells to you?

"Hey guys, it's not even 24 hours after the attack and despite having no evidence, no theories, and no research, I'm going to automatically reach the conclusion that 9/11 was an inside job"

By the way, Alex Jones does not make his own theories; he simply parrots off other people.

 

[MarkyX]

No it was false flag attacks and the people of germany doing what the debunkers are doing that got him in power. If you had lived in germany at the time I am sure you too would have been saying: "Death camp? What death camp? Its a sausage factory"

You honestly think it had to do one attack that got Hitler into power?

Nothing to do with his campaign against the jews? Or the speeches about how the west were against Germany? Or Jews were stopping the progress of the Aryan race? Or his book Mein Kempf?

Hell, he thought it was the Jews fault for the loss of WW1, since many Jews were part of anti-war movements in Germany.

 

[mchapman]

And this doesn't ring any warning bells to you?

"Hey guys, it's not even 24 hours after the attack and despite having no evidence, no theories, and no research, I'm going to automatically reach the conclusion that 9/11 was an inside job"

By the way, Alex Jones does not make his own theories; he simply parrots off other people.

Alex jones had a structural engineer on his show on 911 that had witnessed the collapse and said it didnt look right. He started the demolition theories and he isnt a holocaust denier. So we have alex jones on 911, Mike ruppert a month later and Meyssan in early 2002. NONE of them are holocaust deniers. Your strawman has failed. You better go back to facts.

 

[mchapman]

You honestly think it had to do one attack that got Hitler into power?

Nothing to do with his campaign against the jews? Or the speeches about how the west were against Germany? Or Jews were stopping the progress of the Aryan race? Or his book Mein Kempf?

Are you really that ignorance of history?

Wow, i'm being called ignorant by someone who says ignorance instead.

Hitler was in power because nobody listened, and he was effective at using a false flag attack to demonize a minority group. Ring any bells?

 

[MarkyX]

Meyssan starting the pentagon theories in early 2002.

Carol Valentine already had Pentagon theories in October 2001. One of his theories involved the Global Hawk, the same plane Loose Change 2nd edition talked about.

 

[mchapman]

Carol Valentine already had Pentagon theories in October 2001. One of his theories involved the Global Hawk, the same plane Loose Change 2nd edition talked about.

Carol Valentine is so influential that I haven't heard of her. Have you got a link to these October 2001 theories?

I notice you skipped over Alex Jones and Mike Ruppert. Do you deny they were early proponents who had nothing to do with holocaust denial?

 

[MarkyX]

Wow, i'm being called ignorant by someone who says ignorance instead.

Hitler was in power because nobody listened, and he was effective at using a false flag attack to demonize a minority group. Ring any bells?

Wrong, Hitler was already elected a month before the Reichstag fires.

 

[mchapman]

Wrong, Hitler was already elected a month before the Reichstag fires.

How revealing! I simply said "a false flag attack" and you immediately said Reichstag. Thanks for the confirmation.