Marijuana and Health Claims

[This is The End]

Just linking this thread to a new thread over in Social:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=245706

 

[tensordyne]

 

[tensordyne]

In the same vein, here is another video for your inspection.

 

[Brainache]

In the same vein, here is another video for your inspection.

Fixed it for you.

 

[tensordyne]

Fixed it for you.

Thanks, works for me... thoughts though?

Melamede and Courtney both talked at Hempfest this year.

Something to note that is relevant to this thread is a remark I remember Melamede saying in one of the many interview videos of him on youtube. He said that you would not want to take cannabis or cannabinoids for certain kinds of diseases that require inflamation as part of a bodily response. The reason, from what I gathered, is that cannabis fights inflamation, which of course is not good in diseases where inflamation is one part of an immune response.

So, maybe that is an interesting tidbit?

 

[Beerina]

Or maybe it does...?

Marijuana Provides Pain Relief, New Study Says

Ya but it's not as profitable as gabapentin.

 

[This is The End]

I didn't want to start a new thread but I realize this is important to many people so I am bumping this old one.

CNN Chief Medical Correspondent makes a case against both requirements of being a schedule 1 substance in the USA. (no accepted medicinal use and a high potential for abuse)

http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/08/health/gupta-changed-mind-marijuana/index.html

 

[Polaris]

I didn't want to start a new thread but I realize this is important to many people so I am bumping this old one.

CNN Chief Medical Correspondent makes a case against both requirements of being a schedule 1 substance in the USA. (no accepted medicinal use and a high potential for abuse)

http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/08/health/gupta-changed-mind-marijuana/index.html

All well and good, but...

Instead, I lumped them with the high-visibility malingerers, just looking to get high. I mistakenly believed the Drug Enforcement Agency listed marijuana as a schedule 1 substance because of sound scientific proof. Surely, they must have quality reasoning as to why marijuana is in the category of the most dangerous drugs that have "no accepted medicinal use and a high potential for abuse."

What the hell's so bad about just wanting to get high, anyway? **** you, Sanjay.

 

[casebro]

How do they do a double blind study with rolled joints?

I could see a purified extract in a pill, but how they going to make smoke without flavor or odor?

 

[ehcks]

What the hell's so bad about just wanting to get high, anyway? **** you, Sanjay.

Is someone just looking to get drunk a high-visibility malingerer, too?

 

[marplots]

I didn't want to start a new thread but I realize this is important to many people so I am bumping this old one.

CNN Chief Medical Correspondent makes a case against both requirements of being a schedule 1 substance in the USA. (no accepted medicinal use and a high potential for abuse)

http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/08/health/gupta-changed-mind-marijuana/index.html

It does have a high potential for abuse. Unless you think all the folks smoking it are treating some medical condition.

Aren't they smoking it to get high?

Gupta switches from "abuse" to "addiction" to make his point. Arguably, the people who smoke weed illegally know the potential consequences. They still do it. Some get arrested or fined or even jailed for using it. They still do it.

I think the flaw in the scheduling paradigm is it doesn't reflect different populations. Instead, it tries to link harm to a chemical entity instead of how that entity is typically used. Under the rules, xylene should be schedule I.

 

[Dinwar]

It does have a high potential for abuse. Unless you think all the folks smoking it are treating some medical condition.

Aren't they smoking it to get high?

So you would agree that anyone smoking tobacco, drinking alcohol, or drinking caffeen without a medical reason is abusing those products, I assume?

How do they do a double blind study with rolled joints?

Seconded. Anyone have any idea what the protocols would be for such a study?

 

[marplots]

So you would agree that anyone smoking tobacco, drinking alcohol, or drinking caffeen without a medical reason is abusing those products, I assume?

In the sense used by the FDA/DEA? Yes. This is primarily why I don't think much of a single-valued metric for drug scheduling.

On double blinding for marijuana studies, you can use hemp for the "placebo" or use another dosage form - like a highly flavored vaporization with THC containing extract and non-THC containing extract (or no extract at all with just the carrier).

What's more of a problem is keeping your subjects from smoking weed outside of the study. (Made that up, but I bet it's right. )

 

[Dinwar]

In the sense used by the FDA/DEA? Yes. This is primarily why I don't think much of a single-valued metric for drug scheduling.

Ah, okay. I believe I misunderstood you. Sorry about that. I agree--such a criteria is a moronic way to evaluate drugs, considering how ubiquitous they are.

On double blinding for marijuana studies, you can use hemp for the "placebo" or use another dosage form - like a highly flavored vaporization with THC containing extract and non-THC containing extract (or no extract at all with just the carrier).

Yeah, but you run into issues with how applicable such a study is when you do the vapor method--pot includes a lot of chemicals, not just THC, and how they interact will have an impact. As for using hemp, that might work. I honestly don't know.

 

[marplots]

Yeah, but you run into issues with how applicable such a study is when you do the vapor method--pot includes a lot of chemicals, not just THC, and how they interact will have an impact. As for using hemp, that might work. I honestly don't know.

It's true. Not only cannabinoids, but lots of other goodies:

 

[Olowkow]

I don't think this has been posted, but I might have missed it. Dr. Sanjay Gupta was very anti legalization, but recently has come out in favor of use of medical marijuana, and does not feel criminalization for occasional social use of the drug is warranted.

I apologize because I didn't look hard enough, until now. I didn't look far enough. I didn't review papers from smaller labs in other countries doing some remarkable research, and I was too dismissive of the loud chorus of legitimate patients whose symptoms improved on cannabis.

 

[Olowkow]

I didn't want to start a new thread but I realize this is important to many people so I am bumping this old one.

CNN Chief Medical Correspondent makes a case against both requirements of being a schedule 1 substance in the USA. (no accepted medicinal use and a high potential for abuse)

http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/08/health/gupta-changed-mind-marijuana/index.html

Sorry. Same video and article.

 

[This is The End]

Sorry. Same video and article.

Yeah, it was making the rounds today.

 

[wasapi]

After 4 major spine surgeries, my doctor gave me a prescription for medical marijuana. Not only did the surgeries do more damage then good, it also left me with a chronic condition called CRPS. It is a nightmare when it hits. Unbelievable pain, swelling, and just something touching my skin lightly causes horrific pain.

The doctor wanted me to use the pot before I went to bed. I don't smoke it, I eat it. The problem is that it has always energized me. I get almost manic, can't sleep, and almost always start working on some project. Since I have started to use it a bit earlier, by the time it's bedtime I'm tired and sleep more of a deep-sleep then if I had not used the pot. It often lets me sleep through the chronic pain.

Pain. It is difficult to say that it helps. It seems more like the pain is perhaps the same, but the difference is I just don't give a ####.

 

[Cuddles]

Yeah, but you run into issues with how applicable such a study is when you do the vapor method--pot includes a lot of chemicals, not just THC, and how they interact will have an impact. As for using hemp, that might work. I honestly don't know.

I suppose it's similar to the problem of fruit juice, which isn't as healthy as a lot of people think because it throws a large part of the fruit away. So the obvious solution is to make smoothies instead. Although admittedly that may make smoking it slightly more difficult.