March Stundie Nominations

[Horatius]

I am confused. Why would flying around the Earth North-South prove the Earth is round, but flying around the Earth from East-West does not??

Well, so far, we've only proved the Earth is a cylinder, obviously!

 

[Dave Rogers]

Well, so far, we've only proved the Earth is a cylinder, obviously!

"And that, my liege, is how we know the Earth to be banana-shaped!"

Dave

 

[R.Mackey]

youd think that, but no, as a vacuum there is actually very little heat transfer in space, its like the vacuum chamber in a thermos, keeps hot stuff hot and cold stuff cold

as i understand it the very cold effects actually come from water instantly evaporating in the low (zero) air pressure and IIRC the main concern with astronauts on the moon mission was overheating due to the difficulty in venting heat from the suits

No, this isn't right. Space is actually cold.

It is closer to a thermos bottle, true. Since there is no air or anything else, heat is not lost through the usual process of convection -- or in other words, there is no "wind chill" factor in space. But you can still lose heat through blackbody radiation. This is slower, but it still works.

In the thermos bottle, there's no air but the blackbody environment is at the temperature of the thermos' walls. If your thermos is at room temperature, say 300 K, then there's a 300 K blackbody spectrum of emitted light bouncing around inside the bottle. The spectrum thrown off by your food is at a much higher temperature, and thus gives off energy that is absorbed by the outer thermos bottle, giving you a net cooling. The cooling stops when the interior and exterior walls reach the same temperature. A really good thermos bottle tries to limit this effect with low-emissivity coatings, but you can't reduce it to zero, so eventually your soup will get cold.

In space, the thermos bottle is at the interstellar background temperature -- 6 K or less. There's no mass in space, but there is a constant bath of photons, and this corresponds to a low temperature -- hence, space is cold. So basically whatever energy you radiate is just plain gone, and you get almost nothing back from the outside. You cool faster. Again, we use low-emissivity coatings extensively, like gold foil, but radiative losses are serious.

In Earth orbit or similar, you are warmed by the sun, on the side facing the sun. Again, reflective, low-emissivity materials help deal with the thermal load. But it is possible, therefore, to be both too hot and too cold at the same time. Many spacecraft spin as they travel in order to try to even this out, something we call "rotisserie mode."

On the Moon you have a different problem. Any point on the Moon gets 14 days of uninterrupted daylight (with sun bouncing off the ground around you as well) followed by 14 days of darkness. In the sun you get pretty warm, but at night it gets nasty cold. Lunar equipment that you want to survive the lunar night needs its own heaters, and typically what we do is pack them with Pu-238 to keep them alive. This is a major concern for a sustained human presence on the Moon.

 

[Tandem Thinking]

I am confused. Why would flying around the Earth North-South prove the Earth is round, but flying around the Earth from East-West does not??

I was too, but basically, this is the answer:

Well, so far, we've only proved the Earth is a cylinder, obviously!

From what I could glean from the dripping mess of their forum, they believe that flying around the world east to west is possible with a flat earth (don't ask me how)

Has nobody really ever flown all around the earth north-south??

I don't know about flown all the way, but there was an expedition conducted about twenty years ago where people hiked/boated/flew around the earth in the north-south direction.
http://http://www.transglobe-expedition.org/

You think you have seen the best/worst?
try this: (WARNING:EXTREME INSANITY AHEAD!!!) http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum...?topic=11293.0

I guarantee death from laughter,huge hole in wall () and brain death all at the same time.It is not stundie per se,just example.

And I have read that thread about one/one and half year ago...

They is kwazy.

 

[bonavada]

On the Moon you have a different problem. Any point on the Moon gets 14 days of uninterrupted daylight (with sun bouncing off the ground around you as well) followed by 14 days of darkness. In the sun you get pretty warm, but at night it gets nasty cold. Lunar equipment that you want to survive the lunar night needs its own heaters, and typically what we do is pack them with Pu-238 to keep them alive. This is a major concern for a sustained human presence on the Moon.

What about the Lunar Polar Regions? Don't they have extended light/dark days/nights like the North and South poles regions on earth?

BV

 

[Klimax]

They is kwazy.

When I originally found it,I read it fully...

I see I provided you with full field day.And imagine that it is possible to have even more gems there...

 

[sts60]

On the Moon you have a different problem. Any point on the Moon gets 14 days of uninterrupted daylight (with sun bouncing off the ground around you as well) followed by 14 days of darkness. In the sun you get pretty warm, but at night it gets nasty cold. Lunar equipment that you want to survive the lunar night needs its own heaters, and typically what we do is pack them with Pu-238 to keep them alive.

Yep. Which is why the Surveyors didn't last very long (one made it through two day/night cycles, IIRC). In fact, even the Pu heaters used on the solar-powered EASEP experiment deployed by Apollo 11 weren't enough to get it through the lunar night. However, active heaters powered by the RTGs on the subsequent ALSEP experiments (A12, A14-17) kept things mostly going for up to eight years before they were all shut down. The Soviets also did quite well with isotope-powered rovers which literally "clammed up" overnights.

This is a major concern for a sustained human presence on the Moon.

Indeed, especially since we haven't got nearly enough Pu-238, and we quit making it decades ago, and the Russians may or may not be making more which they may or may not sell us (U.S., that is).

What about the Lunar Polar Regions? Don't they have extended light/dark days/nights like the North and South poles regions on earth?

They do, but since only a tiny fraction of the Moon is in constant day or night, you still have to deal with thermal cycling periodically.

Sorry for further thread derailment... but I did start the process by bringing nominating turbonium's LHe claim.

 

[IMST]

I am confused. Why would flying around the Earth North-South prove the Earth is round, but flying around the Earth from East-West does not??

They claim the Earth to be a circle with the north pole at then center, just like the UN logo. The UN, btw, is in on the conspiracy. Antarctica is fictional as a continent and is in fact an ice wall around the outer ring of the world.

 

[Klimax]

They claim the Earth to be a circle with the north pole at then center, just like the UN logo. The UN, btw, is in on the conspiracy. Antarctica is fictional as a continent and is in fact an ice wall around the outer ring of the world.

Wait for leprechaun's gold...

 

[Myron Proudfoot]

are we sure this isn't a joke??? Although I'd pay good money to watch a debate between flat earthers and hollow earthers....

 

[NobbyNobbs]

You think you have seen the best/worst?
try this: (WARNING:EXTREME INSANITY AHEAD!!!) http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=11293.0

I guarantee death from laughter,huge hole in wall bwall) and brain death all at the same time.It is not stundie per se,just example.

And I have read that thread about one/one and half year ago...

From that thread, I'd like to nominate one particular post which really did leave me stunned. The poster's name is 17November, and here's his particular conspiracy theory (bolding mine, for emphasis):

Of course, the nuclear atom is a myth on top of a myth. Atoms themselves do not exist at all. It is a false theory of Pythagoras's students Leucippus which Pythagoras learned from secret sects in India when he visited there in the sixth century BC at the behest of the jews in Babylon to spread the worst heresies of the hindus in the West.

I'm still in shock.

 

[332nd]

are we sure this isn't a joke??? Although I'd pay good money to watch a debate between flat earthers and hollow earthers....

If it is a joke, hats off to them for commitment.

From that thread, I'd like to nominate one particular post which really did leave me stunned. The poster's name is 17November, and here's his particular conspiracy theory (bolding mine, for emphasis):



I'm still in shock.

I just blurted out loud "HOLYCRAPWTFBBQ!?!??" The students down the hall are still laughing.

ETA: The evil in me wants to show this to my buddy in the Physics Dept. and watch him cry.

 

[Doctor Evil]

From that thread, I'd like to nominate one particular post which really did leave me stunned. The poster's name is 17November, and here's his particular conspiracy theory (bolding mine, for emphasis):

Of course, the nuclear atom is a myth on top of a myth. Atoms themselves do not exist at all. It is a false theory of Pythagoras's students Leucippus which Pythagoras learned from secret sects in India when he visited there in the sixth century BC at the behest of the jews in Babylon to spread the worst heresies of the hindus in the West.

I'm still in shock.

I think we can close for this month. Hell, this is more than enough for the next year.

 

[Grizzly Bear]

From that thread, I'd like to nominate one particular post which really did leave me stunned. The poster's name is 17November, and here's his particular conspiracy theory (bolding mine, for emphasis):



I'm still in shock.

I-I-I-I just don't have words for this... Are my eyes reading that right?

 

[Mel Odious]

I nominate this whole f***ing thread for a Stundie award.

It isn't easy to pick out a short "stand alone" quote in that thread for a legitimate Stundie nomination. The following bit from the OP will have to do:

Perhaps there was some symbolisms important to people who had an interest in aligning events with astronomical objects. These ones I'll have to look more into

1... Mercury rising = Flight 11 impact time
2... Spica rising = Flight 77 Pentagon impact time
3... bright stars Regulus in Leo, Spica in Virgo, Arcturus in Bootes allegedly designed into Washington DC plan
4... Jupiter between the bodies of the twins of Gemini
5... Rising of Jupiter and Gemini's Castor both at around 1:10 am

 

[Stich2306]

Stich2306 and 1337m4n, can you post links so we can see those in context? I know you can't post links yet Stich, but if you leave off the http bit we should be able to see plain text.

Thanks!

Here it is:

://s1.zetaboards.com/LooseChangeForums/topic/1288804/1/

 

[funk de fino]

Christopher 7 claims that the first intact floor in the WTC tower had only the weight of one floor applied to it when the top section fell on it.

The weight of one floor was suddenly applied to the intact floor below, not the weight of 12 or 29.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=4527466#post4527466

 

[Klimax]

From that thread, I'd like to nominate one particular post which really did leave me stunned. The poster's name is 17November, and here's his particular conspiracy theory (bolding mine, for emphasis):



I'm still in shock.

I see, somebody found highest point of the thread...

 

[Klimax]

My best quotes from thread:

The atomic hysteria of the late 1940's and 1950's and today is not only propaganda for obvious political purposes. It is an attempt to maintain the Rutherfordian concept of a nuclear atom. At the height of this propaganda in the 1950's, Dewey Larson wrote an expose of the basis of the myth - the idea that atoms are composed of lesser substances called protons, neutrons, and electrons.

Of course, the nuclear atom is a myth on top of a myth. Atoms themselves do not exist at all. It is a false theory of Pythagoras's students Leucippus which Pythagoras learned from secret sects in India when he visited there in the sixth century BC at the behest of the jews in Babylon to spread the worst heresies of the hindus in the West.

Major de Seversky stated that although he had heard some rumor of radioactive infected persons, he did not encountre even one such person. He interviewed many staff and patients at the Hiroshima Hospital in addition to many medical and other workers sent to assist in the aftermath. Although some of them had also heard this rumor, NONE OF ANY OF THESE PERSONS HAD EVER ENCOUNTERED EVEN SINGLE A PERSON INFECTED WITH RADIOACTIVITY.

The explosions depicted in these photographs are simply explosions of large bombs, missiles, and in some instances large smoke bombs. One can judge the size of these bombs and the blast that they create by virtue of the fact that trees or other objects such as island shores and hilltops which give at least a relative idea of size are located nearby. Hardly the kind of blast in any of these photos which leaves no building within a 46-kilometre diametre unaffected (!)

I do believe in aether, but a numbre of scientists from the late seventeenth to early twentieth centuries believed in both aether and atoms so aether can hardly be said to "replace" atoms. POSSIBLY YOU HAVE CONFUSED ATOMS WITH ELEMENTS which are two different concepts. Neither myself nor Duhem nor to my knowledge any scientist with any reason in all history ever claimed that elements do not exist. Duhem and other scientists before him composed very learned chemical texts which knew nothing of atoms. I can vouch for Duhem as I have seen some of his chemical treatises in French at libraries.

Things are not built of atoms as atoms are merely a false theory.

Matter is composed of elements. I would think we would at least agree on that.

I am not an authority on chemistry either, but I have looked into enough to know who my authorities would be if I ever wanted to dig deeper.

From first three pages... All by single poster,17 November.

 

[Dave Rogers]

ETA: The evil in me wants to show this to my buddy in the Physics Dept. and watch him cry.

Different Physics department, but I've seen it, and I'm crying with laughter.

Dave