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Mancow got waterboarded

Oliver

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So in contrast to that conservative idol coward Hannity, Mancow actually tried out how it does feel to get waterboarded [Hint: Before it he thought it's no big deal] :


[While I don't see why it should be a NSFW-tagged video, I appreciate if a Mod/Admin add's a Tag or sends me a PM to add the Tag myself in case of the video being too controversial or something like that]
 
Is it just me or is it a joke that he couldn't take it more than 4-5 seconds?
 
Oliver said:
Is it just me or is it a joke that he couldn't take it more than 4-5 seconds?
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Read the Wikipedia article. It is a gag reflex, you can't help it. It is natural to try to expel water when it is getting in your lungs. It is probably worse when your hands are tied...

I won't try at home to see how bad it is...
 
Seren_ said:
Read the Wikipedia article. It is a gag reflex, you can't help it. It is natural to try to expel water when it is getting in your lungs. It is probably worse when your hands are tied...

I won't try at home to see how bad it is...
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I know since I experienced a drowning situation myself trying to get a little boy out of deeper waters. But those who think it's a harmless "technique" [like Mancow did], they actually should give it a try before making hypothetical statements. :)
 
You are aware that the average time for CIA agents who put themselves through it is 14 seconds?

Compare that with someone like Khalid Sheikh Mohammed who apparently lasted about 2.5 minutes.
 
Wildy said:
You are aware that the average time for CIA agents who put themselves through it is 14 seconds?

Compare that with someone like Khalid Sheikh Mohammed who apparently lasted about 2.5 minutes.
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Well, after 183 times of "training" I may withstand 2,5 minutes as well. :boxedin:
 
That was freaking sad. He couldn't have run out of air in 4-5 seconds, he just got some water up his nose.
 
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soylent said:
That was freaking sad. He couldn't have run out of air in 4-5 seconds, he just got some water up his nose.
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That's why it's torture. All the contrary excuses are nothing but hot air, naivety, wilful ignorance and/or delusion.
 
soylent said:
That was freaking sad. He couldn't have run out of air in 4-5 seconds, he just got some water up his nose.
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What part of gag reflex do you not understand?Go ahead and try it, me, I'll take Mancow's word for it.
 
Wildy said:
You are aware that the average time for CIA agents who put themselves through it is 14 seconds?

Compare that with someone like Khalid Sheikh Mohammed who apparently lasted about 2.5 minutes.
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Perhaps trying to achieve martyrdom?
 
JihadJane said:
You really think so?
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Possibly. As it is said, it doesn't simulate drowning, you are being drowned.

KSM has consistently wished to be executed for several years now, so the incredible amount of time he endured this torture makes sense.
 
I've heard now of four live-up tests of waterboarding by three people different people who were openly contemptuous of waterboarding. This man, Chris Hitchens (twice) and a scuba-diving ex-marine on one of the patriotism forums two years ago, and each one came to the same conclusion after the test: the procedure is torture, plain and simple. The ex-marine put up with it for about 90 seconds using techniques from his scuba diving training, but finally paniced when he found he couldn't keep it up for as long as they could pour water on him.

It is just you, Oliver.
 
It might need to be said that undergoing something unpleasant voluntarily is a lot different from undergoing the exact same thing involuntarily. It means the pain is purely physical, because you know it's going to stop--you retain control of the situation.

Torture isn't just physical, it's mental, too. Pain and fear together.
 
shadron said:
I've heard now of four live-up tests of waterboarding by three people different people who were openly contemptuous of waterboarding. This man, Chris Hitchens (twice) and a scuba-diving ex-marine on one of the patriotism forums two years ago, and each one came to the same conclusion after the test: the procedure is torture, plain and simple. The ex-marine put up with it for about 90 seconds using techniques from his scuba diving training, but finally paniced when he found he couldn't keep it up for as long as they could pour water on him.

It is just you, Oliver.
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Hitchens did it twice?

Michelle Malking comes up with another piece of tripe.

Torture is any experience so horrible that no-one would consider trying it out simply for the purpose of writing a Vanity Fair article about what it’s like
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Waterboarding was chosen specificially because it could sound like it wasn't torture when it was. Those who try it confirm, yes, it is actually torture. Maybe Michelle Malking should try it.
 
I just want to take a moment and say that the title of this thread amuses me more than it probably should.
 
TragicMonkey said:
It might need to be said that undergoing something unpleasant voluntarily is a lot different from undergoing the exact same thing involuntarily. It means the pain is purely physical, because you know it's going to stop--you retain control of the situation.

Torture isn't just physical, it's mental, too. Pain and fear together.
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They seem to experience pain and fear even when doing it voluntarily.
 
a_unique_person said:
Hitchens did it twice?
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Yeah. Read here, third paragraph: http://atheistblogger.com/2008/07/03/hitchens-waterboarding-is-torture/

Also has the video and an excerpt from Hitchen's article about the experience.

Tragic Monkey said:
It might need to be said that undergoing something unpleasant voluntarily is a lot different from undergoing the exact same thing involuntarily. It means the pain is purely physical, because you know it's going to stop--you retain control of the situation.
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Yes, these people faced only the physical side of it, not the mental side as well. For all a victim knows, the torturers might well have decided that he has spilled all that he has and want to be able to claim an accident to get rid of him. It takes positive action, after all, to make sure that waterboarding doesn't lead to real drowning. Accident victims with nothing more serious than nose bleeds have drowned in their own blood lying unconscious on their backs.
 
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