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Man Held Captive by Stepmom for Twenty-plus Years

theprestige said:
Her criminal history.
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Of keeping someone locked in her basement for 20+ years? Was that the flex you thought it was going to be? "I'm going off of the fact that she's only been committing crimes for the last 20 years, bro".
theprestige said:
Her criminal history.
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You mean the one where she habitually committed crimes for over 20 years? Again, cool flex, bro.
theprestige said:
Neither of those are typical bond conditions.
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People don't typically hold adults captive for 20+ years. Sometimes ◊◊◊◊ isn't typical. Glad I got to help you learn something.
theprestige said:
You're taking a wildly contrarian approach to the judge's ruling.
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Why would I possibly give a ◊◊◊◊? I think the judge is wrong, I should be taking a contrarian approach. That's on purpose. You should know by now, it's your entire personality.
 
theprestige said:
Were you arraigned during that week? Did you have a bond hearing that week?

It's disingenuous to say you were held without bond, if what actually happened was you were sitting in jail waiting for a preliminary hearing.

Either way, it sucks, and if you really were denied bond when you finally got in front of the judge, I think that was probably unfair. At least based on the details you've offered so far.

To be clear: I absolutely reject the idea that this judge in this case owed you a duty of fairness to deny bond to this woman. For all I know, you weren't even in the same jurisdiction, and this judge wasn't even on the bench, when you had your experience.
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First appearance denied bond. Less than 12hours after my arrest.
I’m lucky. I’m poor as ◊◊◊◊, but my mom isn’t, and hired a lawyer as soon as I was able to communicate with anyone outside the jail, (the phone system is really messed up,) and a week in the lawyer got a hearing to ask for bond.
Then it was only three more days that my brother kept showing up with a certified check for the entire $25000 until the court bothered to tell the jail that I had been allowed bail.

She is a Flight risk. If I was denied bond for a non-violent crime how can one justify her being released on her own recognizance?
 
autumn1971 said:
First appearance denied bond. Less than 12hours after my arrest.
I’m lucky. I’m poor as ◊◊◊◊, but my mom isn’t, and hired a lawyer as soon as I was able to communicate with anyone outside the jail, (the phone system is really messed up,) and a week in the lawyer got a hearing to ask for bond.
Then it was only three more days that my brother kept showing up with a certified check for the entire $25000 until the court bothered to tell the jail that I had been allowed bail.

She is a Flight risk. If I was denied bond for a non-violent crime how can one justify her being released on her own recognizance?
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You were treated unfairly. How is that supposed to influence other judges in other jurisdictions? Does the entire US criminal justice system owe it to you to treat every defendant unfairly, as some sort of moral reparations for how you were treated.
 
Thermal said:
'Fair' probably isn't the right word, but a death threat is kind of actively imminent to the threatened, whereas this lady couldn't abuse the son anymore. She wasn't threatening a near-future murder.

Eta: here in scenic NJ, the K word is also taken very seriously. The assumption is you literally mean to do so, even though it's often just venting rage.
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I understand, but he had twice threatened to “◊◊◊◊ you up real bad” and I prefaced my threat by explaining that I am old and tiny and he was a large young man.

I know people ROR’ed after a third DUI.
 
theprestige said:
You were treated unfairly. How is that supposed to influence other judges in other jurisdictions? Does the entire US criminal justice system owe it to you to treat every defendant unfairly, as some sort of moral reparations for how you were treated.
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Jesus, no.
It means that judges should use actual judgement. This woman can cross a state or even county line, and even if pulled over would be on her way.
She is a flight risk.
 
autumn1971 said:
I understand, but he had twice threatened to “◊◊◊◊ you up real bad” and I prefaced my threat by explaining that I am old and tiny and he was a large young man.
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I get that. But you know how we roll in the States- even the large and young are no match for a 9mm, and that's how a whole lot of killings are completed.

Buddy of mine got locked up for terroristic threats because he said he would 'lay out' another guy. Pretty vague, and the cops knew the other guy was a lying weasel, but they have protocol when dealing with a reported threat of bodily harm.
autumn1971 said:
I know people ROR’ed after a third DUI.
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Which is ridiculously ◊◊◊◊◊◊ up. My sympathies to you, man. Seems like the cops can never manage to do the right thing, but go for the easiest.
 
autumn1971 said:
Jesus, no.
It means that judges should use actual judgement. This woman can cross a state or even county line, and even if pulled over would be on her way.
She is a flight risk.
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Pretty much, yeah. She has no real ties to the community anymore if her husband is dead.

If it helps man, I've had some ◊◊◊◊◊◊ up interactions with the courts and the police myself.
 
plague311 said:
I'm doing what you're doing. Just making assumptions about ◊◊◊◊ with nothing to back it up. Don't you remember? It's literally all you've done.
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The difference is I'm not trying to paint it as some grand crime against reason and justice.
plague311 said:
Then it's done more than you.
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I can't help people who don't want help.
 
theprestige said:
The difference is I'm not trying to paint it as some grand crime against reason and justice.
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I don't even know what this means. Paint what? All I'm saying is I think she should be monitored while she's out because a) she's a flight risk and b) decades of torture on a human shows a depraved indifference to humans. You're the ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ one trying to paint that as some huge invasion of rights.
theprestige said:
I can't help people who don't want help.
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You aren't\weren't helping anyone anyway. Not even sure what you think you were doing to help.
 
autumn1971 said:
I’m only saying
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No. You're also saying a lot about your own experience, as if it should inform our understanding of this ruling.
autumn1971 said:
that she is an extreme flight risk
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Like she's about to burn a safe house and disappear behind a scrim of shell companies.

What resources do you imagine a middle aged American amateur kidnapper has on hand?
 
plague311 said:
I don't even know what this means. Paint what? All I'm saying is I think she should be monitored while she's out because a) she's a flight risk and b) decades of torture on a human shows a depraved indifference to humans. You're the ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ one trying to paint that as some huge invasion of rights.
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It is a huge invasion of rights. Mainly because your (b) is the accusation the state must prove, to justify state sanctions.

I might change my mind if your "depraved indifference to humans" had evidence extending beyond this one special (and horrific) circumstance.

How many other humans has she shown criminal indifference towards?
 
theprestige said:
It is a huge invasion of rights. Mainly because your (b) is the accusation the state must prove, to justify state sanctions.
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Again, I'm not going round and round with you. It happens all the time, you've said you don't like it, I don't care. Lets just agree to move on.
theprestige said:
I might change my mind if your "depraved indifference to humans" had evidence extending beyond this one special (and horrific) circumstance.
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Lol
theprestige said:
How many other humans has she shown criminal indifference towards?
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Torturing one person for 20 years isn't enough? Cool. I have a weekend to enjoy that doesn't involve you in it. Later
 
plague311 said:
Again, I'm not going round and round with you.
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You keep saying that.
plague311 said:
It happens all the time, you've said you don't like it, I don't care. Lets just agree to move on.
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Feel free to move on any time.
plague311 said:
Lol


Torturing one person for 20 years isn't enough?
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Allegedly. What is your problem with due process?
plague311 said:
Cool. I have a weekend to enjoy that doesn't involve you in it. Later
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Later? What happened to your never again?
 
theprestige said:
Allegedly. What is your problem with due process?
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Firefighters arrived to find the guy in a hidden room, locked from the outside with no one but Mommie Dearest living there. He already had the school reporting that he was eating out of the dumpsters before she pulled him out and he disappeared. There ain't much room for 'allegedly' here. She doesn't warrant the deference that it might all be a big misunderstanding. She needs to be treated like a stone cold psycho that every indication supports her being. She should be on a ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ 5150 lockdown, not free to go shopping.
 
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Modern ankle monitors can be hidden quite easily, no stigma. IMHO all people on bail should wear one if it is affordable.

ETA: Especially if they have a restraining order!
 
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