man doesn't eat/drink for 68 years

Sigh, all my googling keeps coming up with links to Blaine's stunt. Blaine annoys me. Oh well.

I like this one from here: http://www.ananova.com/entertainment/story/sm_816212.html?menu=
But Guinness's keeper of records Stewart Newport said: "We have never encouraged actively claims for the longest time to voluntarily go without solid food for very clear and obvious reasons. If you beat the 'record' and then die is it a successful attempt?"

He pointed out that the longest hunger strike ended in 1973 after 385 days when Dennis Galer Goodwin protested his innocence in Wakefield Prison, West Yorkshire, of a rape charge. He was fed by tube orally.

The lengthiest period spent without solid food was 382 days when Angus Barbieri lived on tea, coffee, soda water and vitamins in Maryfield Hospital, Dundee in the mid Sixties. He lost more than 20 stone.
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20 stone and repeated references to him weighing more than 200kg at the beginning surely do mean he was a very large guy to begin with. The vitamins would prevent scurvy and malnutrition, so looks like simply lack of calories was what eventually did him in. Jarod eat your heart out.

Couldn't find a mention of it at http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/

So I'm a little confused if it is in there as a record or not.

Regardless of my interest in Mr. Barbieri's creative and lengthy method of suicide, Prahlad Jani is still telling tall tales.
 
El Greco said:
That site features only 10% of the Guinness records.
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Well, that'd do it then. Just mentioned it because all the articles link to it and his record isn't there. :D
 
Just thought I'd pass on the information that was in the article on the AP news wire about this "miracle man". His "test" that "baffled medical experts" was that he was observed for 10 days in a local hospital, and managed not to eat or drink anything, supposedly. Gee, 10 whole days! Then they let him go home. Guess that proves it!
 
There is a message board associated with the Yahoo Article and I've been arguing with the stupid believers in there about this "miracle man". Same stupid arguments come from the believers.... "science only knows so much" and "you are closed minded". They even go so far as to claim that Hindu isn't a religion but a philosophy.. and the most scientific philosophy. I wish it was possible to just beat some sense into these people.
 
Cinorjer said:
Just thought I'd pass on the information that was in the article on the AP news wire about this "miracle man". His "test" that "baffled medical experts" was that he was observed for 10 days in a local hospital, and managed not to eat or drink anything, supposedly. Gee, 10 whole days! Then they let him go home. Guess that proves it!
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What sort of experts are those? Even I could go without food and drink for ten days, ESPECIALLY if I planned ahead, as this man no doubt did.
 
DarkPrimus said:

Even I could go without food and drink for ten days...
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Going without food for 10 days is not difficult. I speak from personal experience, as someone who has been on a couple of prolonged fasts (many years in the past).

Going without drink for 10 days is more difficult, if by drink we are including all liquid including water. As I recall what I was told, one risks both brain damage and death after several days without water. I've never had a desire to test that information out, but it sounds reasonable to me.

I can't access the New Scientist article to see how long it says a person can go without salt. If it's talking about 40 or more days, they may be correct. If they are talking about significantly less than 40 days, I would question that.
 
I'm still arguing with the idiot believers at yahoo about this. They claim that the doctors watching him for 10 days is enough evidence. Wow, these guys are stupid.
 
I'm still arguing with the idiot believers at yahoo about this. They claim that the doctors watching him for 10 days is enough evidence. Wow, these guys are stupid.

Anyone who would take a claim like this seriously is beyond reach, probably. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof, and just because someone is a medical expert doesn't make them an expert on spotting tricks and desception. A few days spent in a hospital without falling over gasping for water is hardly a test.

The human body is not a closed system, expecially when it comes to water. We lose a certain amount by just breathing, even if we don't move around and sweat. And of course, water is needed to flush the byproducts of metabolism out of our bodies through our urine and feces. If his heart is beating, then he's getting food and water at regular intervals. The simple, logical explaination is that he's a liar, and in this case it's such an outragious claim that Randi would probably consider it a waste of time to challenge him.

Jerry
 
Cinorjer said:
Just thought I'd pass on the information that was in the article on the AP news wire about this "miracle man". His "test" that "baffled medical experts" was that he was observed for 10 days in a local hospital, and managed not to eat or drink anything, supposedly. Gee, 10 whole days! Then they let him go home. Guess that proves it!
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They gave him water for mouthwash every day.
Apparently they measured it before and after he rinsed his mouth. But, they say that's all he has had.

BBC web link
To help the doctors verify his claims, Mr Jani agreed to avoid bathing for his time in hospital.

The only fluid he was allowed was a small amount of water, to use as mouthwash.

One hundred millilitres of water were given to him, and then collected and measured in a beaker when he spat it out, to make sure none had been drunk.
A statement from Ahmedabad's Association of Physicians says that despite no water entering his body, urine nonetheless appeared to form in his bladder - only to be re-absorbed by the bladder walls.
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cabby said:


They gave him water for mouthwash every day.
Apparently they measured it before and after he rinsed his mouth. But, they say that's all he has had.

BBC web link
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Well from this then we know he actually did have some water, albeit a very tiny amount, since it seems safe to assume that if he put 100ml of water into his dry mouth he did not expel 100ml when he spat it out.
 
Darat said:


Well from this then we know he actually did have some water, albeit a very tiny amount, since it seems safe to assume that if he put 100ml of water into his dry mouth he did not expel 100ml when he spat it out.
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it says they measured it, but it doesn't clarify if it was ever different after, than before.
 
I'm puzzled why people are impressed that "medical experts can't explain it". First, who are these so-called "medical experts" (Doctors? Not likely. How could a hospital in India possibly have 400 medical experts? That's more than John Hopkins).

Anyway, it doesn't matter if one or a thousand "medical experts" look at the guy. What are they looking for? Evidence of photosynthesis? All they can say is the guy's alive right now, and anyone could determine that. There is no possible medical condition that keeps someone alive for years without food and water. Therefore, there is no medical test to check if that's what happened. Yes, the medical experts have an explaination for it: the man is a fraud.

Sure, it looks good on paper, but these are the wrong people to be testing this claim. You obviously need people who know how to design a scientific test under controlled conditions, something these medical experts at this hospital obviously don't know how to do. Lock the guy up in a tested isolation chamber, and wait a few months. And none of this barely surviving nonsense. Since the man claims he hasn't eaten since he was a child, obviously he can thrive, put on weight and muscle through air alone.
 
thaiboxerken said:
I'm still arguing with the idiot believers at yahoo about this. They claim that the doctors watching him for 10 days is enough evidence. Wow, these guys are stupid.
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Tell them to join Jasmuheen's Living on Light. You can't lose. One believer starved herself to death.


You see, she didn't believe.
 
Ooh, more than one!

Here's Jamusheen and someone called Erik in a dimensional biofield. Whaddyamean you don't know what a dimensional biofield is?!?

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This has to be my favorite pic though. It just screams, "No! I don't need any mashed potatoes! I live on LIGHT!!! Well, maybe just one helping to be polite. Oh, do you want that steak there?"

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That chick is hot, I have a small amount of protien I can offer her.

I went to the first URL you gave.. it sickens me how these sights use junk-science to spread their nonsense. If only freedom of expression applied to responsible people...
 
Darat said:


Well from this then we know he actually did have some water, albeit a very tiny amount, since it seems safe to assume that if he put 100ml of water into his dry mouth he did not expel 100ml when he spat it out.
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He might have spat out more, what with the added saliva. Because presumably his feat includes the miraculous appearance of water in his body, since we expel water as e.g. sweat in order to stay alive too.
 
Believers of this story are now appealing to the fact that scientists have been wrong about other things. Sheesh, I guess believers believe for the same fallicious reasons no matter what the beliefs.
 
Believers of this story are now appealing to the fact that scientists have been wrong about other things.

Oh yea. The old "They laughed at the Wright Brothers" argument. Well, they also laughed at Bozo the Clown. The strength of science is that we will admit when we're occasionally wrong, adjust our theories and build on it. The believers you're wasting your time arguing with will never admit when they're wrong, even though that's always been the case.
 
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