Mammoth found, killed with buckshot

I keep hoping I'll run across the last herd of Mammoths while perusing the vastness of Siberia and Canada with Google Earth. Might even catch a Sasquatch out in the open! So much space and so little time to explore it!
 
robinson said:
They don't really know. This entire new theory is very controversial. We do know that cosmic material was embedded by very high velocities, in mammoth tusks and bison skulls. It seems to have happened more than once. 35,000 and 12,900 years ago. Clovis points also have the same material in them from 12,900 years ago. It is highly suspected that many animals were killed by the shockwave, the firestorm, and the high velocity material. But, there are far more mysteries than facts at this point.

We don't know if the Mammoths were alive or dead, because tusks don't grow over injuries. Bison skulls do, so they think the bison lived a while after the impact. As for the Clovis spear points, nobody knows if the Clovis were alive or dead at the time.

We do know that the Clovis people, as well as the Mammoths and a bunch of other species, all vanished soon after the suspected impact 12,900 years ago.
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I think that pretty much covers it - all except for the shrapnel still falling in this area :). Though, it's not much of a theory - how often have we heard what a theory is? - but rather an interpretation of some facts that have been found. Perhaps more reconstructive history than science, except for the overtones of catastrophy vs. uniformitarian theory and studying collision effects.
 
Oh it's a good theory. These researchers have done their homework, lots of research, and a lot of hard science.

They used NASA's Hyper Velocity Impact Lab to fire pellets at 12,000 mph, to test their theory about impact. Really cool footage on the NatGeo show of what might happen from a cloud of debris hitting the atmosphere. Both over land and over an ice sheet.

If it hit ice, there wouldn't be a crater to find, but would definitely cause effects like the theory predicts. Watching the impact in slow motion is pretty damn cool.

The science behind this is amazing. The He3 found in the microscopic buckyballs was news to me. And talk about controversy! The fighting over that evidence is intense. The Nanodiamond stuff is also way cool.
 
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Tumbleweed said:
I keep hoping I'll run across the last herd of Mammoths while perusing the vastness of Siberia and Canada with Google Earth. Might even catch a Sasquatch out in the open! So much space and so little time to explore it!
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I'm hoping to just find a tooth. They turn up around here from time to time.
 
dogguy said:
Ok, I have read this entire thread, including all of CFlarsen's off topic posturing, and I think I can now respond to this.

1. An object lodged in a mammoth's tusk (very likely) would not kill a mammoth.
2. No one posting in this thread has suggested that an object lodged in a mammoth's tusk did kill a mammoth.

Question for CFLarsen - Why did you ask this question?
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When I first read this thread, as the 1st page was being posted, I understood CFLarson's question to be in regards to the thread title. That is what I thought was being questioned.
The thread title implies that it was the buckshot that did the killing.
 
So the verdict is- Mastodons (Mammoths were extinct in America well before the Pleistocene), were wiped out by
Comet impact.
Radiation.
Bad weather.
Mice
Human predation
Cosmic shrapnel
Climate change
Really bad sinus trouble.

(Choose any combination).


God really had it in for those wooly suckers.


Call me sceptical, but I suspect it was the butler, in the library, with an atlatl.

ETA:- Robinson, thanks for the youtube link to the conference. I had somehow contrived to miss this announcement. As soon as I saw the date on the vid, I thought "Loch Lomond Glacial"- the British name for the Younger Dryas event. Scanning the vids, 4 and 5 seem to go into this in some detail. There have been many theories about the mechanism of the YD / KLL cooling. This is certainly a new and intriguing one.
 
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Molinaro said:
When I first read this thread, as the 1st page was being posted, I understood CFLarson's question to be in regards to the thread title. That is what I thought was being questioned.
The thread title implies that it was the buckshot that did the killing.
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No. Skeptigirl, in response to something Claus had asked about how the mammoth had died, made a comment about the mammoth being killed by the blast. Claus responded with the words 'Explain please', and a quote about the bison. In his mind, he thought this was sufficient for skeptigirl to know he wanted to change the topic to the bison being killed. Of course, it took a few more posts for this to slowly become completely evident, so meanwhile there is confusion on what the mammoth had to do with his queries.

Athon
 
athon said:
No. Skeptigirl, in response to something Claus had asked about how the mammoth had died, made a comment about the mammoth being killed by the blast. Claus responded with the words 'Explain please', and a quote about the bison. In his mind, he thought this was sufficient for skeptigirl to know he wanted to change the topic to the bison being killed. Of course, it took a few more posts for this to slowly become completely evident, so meanwhile there is confusion on what the mammoth had to do with his queries.
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How can anyone be confused, if the quote was about the bison?

Oh, well. If some people want to be confused, they will be.
 
CFLarsen said:
How can anyone be confused, if the quote was about the bison?

Oh, well. If some people want to be confused, they will be.
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And if some people want to be in denial fine,

but give this BS that everyone should have known your incomplete utterances had actual meaning a rest.
 
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