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Make Donald DRUMPF again!!!

Argumemnon said:
That was my initial reaction as well. However, John Oliver does _sell_ caps with that slogan on it, and is encouraging people to use the hashtag, which goes a bit beyond a mere humorous segment.
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Trebuchet said:
He's a comedian. Making money from jokes is what he does for a living.
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He claimed they are selling those caps at cost, which means his show is not making a profit from the sales.
 
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fuelair said:
Tonight on John Oliver's HBO Show he announced a new campaign based on the Trump family's real family name -which was changed for some odd reason a few generations back. The campaign is simple it's goal is to let people know what it is and push Trump to use the real family name or explain why he won't.

The real family name was Drumpf, the campaign is through the show (look up John Oliver HBO and you should get to the info.

I'll be back with an update but did not want to hold back on this great idea!!!!:):D:):D:thumbsup:
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OMG! This is the breakthrough we've been waiting for. Once Trump's Army of Morlocks here's about this, they'll smarten-up and dump the Donald and vote Hillary, or Rubio, or Cruz....or someone sensible.

Right...sure they will. (And the Juggalos will welcome back Tila Tequila)
 
Snopes says:
Mostly True.
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Someone else who agreed was a New York real estate developer named Donald Trump. ;) He once wrote:
A lot has been written about my family. A writer named Gwenda Blair spent twelve years on her thorough history; The Trumps: Three Generations That Built an Empire. She even traced our lineage back to 1608, when a German lawyer named Hans Drumpf settled in the town of Kallstadt, forty miles west of the Rhine River. According to Blair, one of my ancestors, a winegrower, changed the family name to Trump at the end of the 1600s --a good move, I think, because Drumpf Tower doesn't sound nearly as catchy. Link to Snopes page
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However, Snopes notes, other sources say it was Trump's grandfather who switched the name from Drumpf to Trump. One source was Business Insider that reported five years ago:
The Donald’s grandfather was a German immigrant named Frederick Drumpf who emigrated to the U.S. in 1885 and became a naturalized citizen in 1892. At some point, he started calling himself “Frederick Trump,” but it is unclear if he ever changed his name officially.
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At any rate, Snopes concluded:
It was true Trump's family surname was originally "Drumpf," but the exact timing of the name change still isn't clear. Biographer Gwenda Blair appeared to have traced the switch to "Trump" to the 1600s, but she later said that "Friedrich Drumpf" emigrated to the United States in 1885, a statement that appeared to contradict her prior writing.
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newyorkguy said:
However, Snopes notes, other sources say it was Trump's grandfather who switched the name from Drumpf to Trump. One source was Business Insider that reported five years ago:
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I've delivered evidence that these sources are wrong and what Trump says is correct. Maybe you can carry it to "Snopes" (dunno how that site works).
 
I looked at the link to the movie "Kings of Kallstadt." First it's in German. At the cemetery they show one grave with the name Trump. Unless there's more to this than I realize, I think Snopes would say it is probably not clear if there are any graves with the name Drumpf.

The other thing is, the headstone shown is supposed to be Trump's grandfather I think? But it's already agreed his grandfather was named Trump, if not from birth at least by the end of his life, so I'm not sure how this proves the name change took place in the 1600s.

I can and will leave a comment about Trump/Drumpf and "Kings of Kallstadt" on the Snopes page but I'm not sure it will be seen as defining evidence.
 
newyorkguy said:
I looked at the link to the movie "Kings of Kallstadt." First it's in German. At the cemetery they show one grave with the name Trump. Unless there's more to this than I realize, I think Snopes would say it is probably not clear if there are any graves with the name Drumpf.

The other thing is, the headstone shown is supposed to be Trump's grandfather I think? But it's already agreed his grandfather was named Trump, if not from birth at least by the end of his life, so I'm not sure how this proves the name change took place in the 1600s.

I can and will leave a comment about Trump/Drumpf and "Kings of Kallstadt" on the Snopes page but I'm not sure it will be seen as defining evidence.
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It isn't clear in the film which Trumps the grave belongs to, or if it's the only one. If it were the grave of his grandfather it likely would have been stated. Through the film there are relatives of Trump including Donald's cousin from the US but also from the village, and they know and talk about the family only as Trump (Troomp as you were able to hear in the graveyard scene). The filmmaker is also from the village and the article about the film I linked to states explicitly:

welt.de said:
Nein, Opa Friedrich war 1885 aus Deutschland ausgewandert. Und er hieß auch schon immer Trump, nie Drumpf, auch wenn sich diese Falschinformation hartnäckig hält.
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"No, Grandpa Friedrich emigrated from Germany [not Sweden] in 1885. And he has always been called Trump, never Drumpf, even if this misinformation ["false information"] persists."

I can hardly imagine a better source than practically the whole (1200 souls) village the family comes from.
 
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And : Verb phrases


6.

trump up, to devise deceitfully or dishonestly, as an accusation; fabricate:
Try as they might, they were unable to trump up a convincing case against him.
 
I didn't have a chance to leave a message and link on the Snopes page yet but I will. Remember, the Snopes page said. "Mostly true," though the exact sequence of the name change was not certain. And even Donald Trump himself has said he is aware the family name was changed. So it doesn't seem like a big deal.

Was that the grand daughter (great grand daughter?) who said,
"No, Grandpa Friedrich emigrated from Germany [not Sweden] in 1885...
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Not Sweden? That rang a bell because I saw something about that. That in earlier years Donald Trump either said or implied his ancestry was Swedish. Is there anything to that?
 
newyorkguy said:
I didn't have a chance to leave a message and link on the Snopes page yet but I will. Remember, the Snopes page said. "Mostly true," though the exact sequence of the name change was not certain. And even Donald Trump himself has said he is aware the family name was changed. So it doesn't seem like a big deal.
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wikipedia has already been updated. :)

newyorkguy said:
Was that the grand daughter (great grand daughter?) who said,
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No, that's the author of the article speaking from Donald's perspective.

newyorkguy said:
Not Sweden? That rang a bell because I saw something about that. That in earlier years Donald Trump either said or implied his ancestry was Swedish. Is there anything to that?
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Donald's father apparently pretended to be of Swedish ancestry during the time when it wasn't convenient to be from Germany. IIRC in the film Donald's germanophile cousin says it was him who convinced Donald to come clean about that legend. The article (leading to my quotation about "Drumpf") says it was discovered when someone was planning to build a Trump museum in Karlstad, Sweden.
 
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Argumemnon said:
That was my initial reaction as well. However, John Oliver does _sell_ caps with that slogan on it, and is encouraging people to use the hashtag, which goes a bit beyond a mere humorous segment.
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It goes back to the old rule, "Don't piss off a comedian."

As for the caps, remember that he donated all the donations (that didn't need refrigeration :boggled: ) from his short-lived "church". He doesn't have to hawk ball caps to keep going.
 
John Oliver also mentioned that Donald 'Tells It Like It Is' Trump also has said he'd been invited to appear on Last Week Tonight with John Oliver "four or five times." The audience tittered at that, Oliver didn't even have to say anything! Of course he went on to say, he had never invited Trump on the show, that he's not their kind of guest. But, Oliver said, he saw Trump on a clip telling an audience that'd he'd been invited on and he said it with such assurance that Oliver checked with his staff to see if maybe someone had invited Trump to appear without Oliver being aware of it. (That got a big laugh.)

"But no..."
 
newyorkguy said:
John Oliver also mentioned that Donald 'Tells It Like It Is' Trump also has said he'd been invited to appear on Last Week Tonight with John Oliver "four or five times." The audience tittered at that, Oliver didn't even have to say anything! Of course he went on to say, he had never invited Trump on the show, that he's not their kind of guest. But, Oliver said, he saw Trump on a clip telling an audience that'd he'd been invited on and he said it with such assurance that Oliver checked with his staff to see if maybe someone had invited Trump to appear without Oliver being aware of it. (That got a big laugh.)

"But no..."
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I consider that a very telling anecdote.
 
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