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[Marc39]

The Zionist Movement is a complete stranger to humanitarianism. We dont' even need the latest UN investigation into Zionist war crimes to prove that to us. The decades old regime of apartheid in the West Bank is enough.

The Zionist movement, as embodied by the state of Israel, is very humanitarian, from rescuing starving Ethiopians ignored by every other country to providing asylum to Muslim and Christian Sudanese refugees while Egyptian police shot Sudanese refugees seeking asylum in Egypt to sending Israeli doctors to developing nations to provide free medical care and pediatric cardiac treatment.

In fact, Hadassah Medical Center in Jerusalem was nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize for its inclusiveness in treating patients of all ethnic and religious backrounds.

I'm hard-pressed to think of another hospital nominated for a Nobel Prize.

So, you're wrong.

 

[gtc]

Use anti-Zionism to legitimise Anti-Zionism? Anti-Zionism is already legitimate.

I fixed the sentence.

To say that France is controlled by Jews wouldn't be anti-semitic unless one was doing because one hated Jews.

I suppose one could believe that France was controlled by Jews out of some form of insanity rather than outright anti-Semitism. But the fact is that Jews do not control France.

You are clearly compeltely mistaken there my friend. Firstly it is not 'people' it is one person and he/she is quite clear that anti-Zionism and Anti-Jew is mutally inclusive. here's a reminder. ..

Nope. You accused Parky76 of doing the same thing in post #42.

The old 'code-word' allegation always makes me laugh. It really is so 20th century to stifle and denigrate criticism of Israel and the Zionist Movement by trying to claim it's racist. Do we have a yawn or cobweb smiley?

You have misinterpreted his post. He is not saying that it is always anti-Semitic just in some cases it is.

 

[bigjelmapro]

The Zionist Movement is a complete stranger to humanitarianism. We dont' even need the latest UN investigation into Zionist war crimes to prove that to us. The decades old regime of apartheid in the West Bank is enough.

Yeah, that Goldstone report is doing great. Even the left-wing groups, ie B'tselem, have stated that its wrong in its accusations. But cling on to it all you wish.

Ohh, we have apartheid again......lol.

 

[Marc39]

Anti-Zionism is already legitimate.

Anti-Zionism is nothing more than polite expressions of anti-Semitism, enabling Jew haters to spew their bile under the pretext of "being opposed not to Jews, but, merely to Israel's Zionist policies"

It's quite transparent, particularly on the Internet where anonymity permits height-challenged, academically deficient cowards to beat up on Jews and their country.

 

[Tin Foil Timothy]

I suppose one could believe that France was controlled by Jews out of some form of insanity rather than outright anti-Semitism. But the fact is that Jews do not control France.

I'm sure they don't but you don't have to hate a group of people to accuse some of them of controlling a country

You have misinterpreted his post. He is not saying that it is always anti-Semitic just in some cases it is.

No mispinterpretation. he said "anti-Zionist" is absolutely a codeword for anti-Jew"

Notice the word 'absolutely' . He didn't say 'sometimes'

 

[Tin Foil Timothy]

Anti-Zionism is nothing more than polite expressions of anti-Semitism, enabling Jew haters to spew their bile under the pretext of "being opposed not to Jews, but, merely to Israel's Zionist policies"

It's quite transparent, particularly on the Internet where anonymity permits height-challenged, academically deficient cowards to beat up on Jews and their country.

So are you another one of these people who really meant that Anti-Zionism is only sometimes Anti-semitic?

Anyway in case you are not I am at least one person who proves your claim to be wrong. I am opposed to Zionist Policies yet have nothing whatsoever against anyone for being Jewish.

I've also met Jews who are opposed to Zionist policies. Are these Jews Jew-haters?

How do you cope with Jews who are opposed to Zionist policies marc39?

 

[Marc39]

So are you another one of these people who really meant that Anti-Zionism is only sometimes Anti-semitic?

Anyone denying Jews the same right of self-determination accorded others, which defines Zionism, as called for by the UN, would be anti-Semitic.

Anyway in case you are not I am at least one person who proves your claim to be wrong. I am opposed to Zionist Policies yet have nothing whatsoever against anyone for being Jewish.

I think you mean you're opposed to Israeli policies. Fair enough, however, are you equally exorcised over the "policies" of other countries?

Where might we find illustrations of your moral outrage directed to countries other than Israel?

I've also met Jews who are opposed to Zionist policies. Are these Jews Jew-haters?

Some are Jewish Jew haters, others, merely uninformed or confused.

How do you cope with Jews who are opposed to Zionist policies marc39?

I avoid them.

 

[gtc]

No mispinterpretation. he said "anti-Zionist" is absolutely a codeword for anti-Jew"

Notice the word 'absolutely' . He didn't say 'sometimes'

No. The word means that he is adamant that it is a codeword. That is not the same as saying that it is always used as a codeword for anti-Jew. Because that would be silly - for example are academic journal articles that explore anti-Zionism using the term as code for anti-Jew?

 

[Tin Foil Timothy]

No. The word means that he is adamant that it is a codeword. That is not the same as saying that it is always used as a codeword for anti-Jew. Because that would be silly - for example are academic journal articles that explore anti-Zionism using the term as code for anti-Jew?

Given the history of Zionists stifling criticism of themselves by throwing out the race card such pedantry is really failing badly.

 

[Tin Foil Timothy]

Anyone denying Jews the same right of self-determination accorded others, which defines Zionism, as called for by the UN, would be anti-Semitic.

No one has the right of self determination which involves denying the rights of others. This applies to Jews just as much as anyone else.

I think you mean you're opposed to Israeli policies. Fair enough, however, are you equally exorcised over the "policies" of other countries?

Where might we find illustrations of your moral outrage directed to countries other than Israel?

Show me where another country is currently occupying part of a land in a manner on which it has no right to and is also currently persecuting the people it wants to throw of this land becuase they have the wrong DNA and I'll be outraged.

My choice of outrage however is with the Zionist Movement and it's racist behaviour towards those of the wrong DNA in Palestine.

Some are Jewish Jew haters, others, merely uninformed or confused.

I avoid them.

Jewish Jew Haters !!??!!

Now that's a good one. You mean Jewish Zionist haters.

 

[Marc39]

Given the history of Zionists stifling criticism of themselves by throwing out the race card such pedantry is really failing badly.

Can you really blame them given the witch hunts that have persecuted Israel?

As if in some surreal Orwellian scenario, Cuba, a state sponsor of terrorism, and Egypt, one of the worst human rights violators in the world, urged the UN Human Rights Council, where Russia and China are members, to conduct an investigation into Israel's conduct in a war in Gaza provoked by Hamas, a terrorist organization.

 

[Tin Foil Timothy]

Can you really blame them given the witch hunts that have persecuted Israel?

Well if I decided that some Sky Fairy had given me a right to the land of Texas and I self declared the Tin Foil State of Timothy there should I be surprised if the Texans and it's neighbours were a little perturbed about that. I guess many of them would hate me and want to remove the Tin Foil regime. Of course I would prevail because I have supporters in high places in some ofthe world's great [powers and I've spun it out that they "Want to wipe Timothyreal off the map".

As if in some surreal Orwellian scenario, Cuba, a state sponsor of terrorism, and Egypt, one of the worst human rights violators in the world, urged the UN Human Rights Council, where Russia and China are members, to conduct an investigation into Israel's conduct in a war in Gaza provoked by Hamas, a terrorist organization.

Did you say provoked by Hamas?

Interesting. It didn't actually happen like that. To save my much typing I would suggest yo educate yourself with this article. It might help future anonymous internet debates ...

How Israel torpedoed its ceasefire with Hamas to produce a casus belli

Apart from never keeping to the ceasefire agreement becuase of the refusal to lift the block on toys to Gazan children Israel further broke it by killing some Palestinians in November preceding the Cast Lead Genocide.

People can see right through the playing the victim farce. I would suggest a more plausible approach when defending the racist behaviour of the Zionist Regime. it might get taken more seriously.

 

[Marc39]

Well if I decided that some Sky Fairy had given me a right to the land of Texas and I self declared the Tin Foil State of Timothy there should I be surprised if the Texans and it's neighbours were a little perturbed about that. I guess many of them would hate me and want to remove the Tin Foil regime. Of course I would prevail because I have supporters in high places in some ofthe world's great [powers and I've spun it out that they "Want to wipe Timothyreal off the map".

Are you opposed to immigration, in general, then? No Mexicans or Asians allowed in the US because they're taking over? They even have their own communities, restaurants, newspapers, banks, businesses and schools. You're opposed to this infiltration of other people into the US, right?

Did you say provoked by Hamas?

Interesting. It didn't actually happen like that. To save my much typing I would suggest yo educate yourself with this article. It might help future anonymous internet debates ...

How Israel torpedoed its ceasefire with Hamas to produce a casus belli

Apart from never keeping to the ceasefire agreement becuase of the refusal to lift the block on toys to Gazan children Israel further broke it by killing some Palestinians in November preceding the Cast Lead Genocide.

People can see right through the playing the victim farce. I would suggest a more plausible approach when defending the racist behaviour of the Zionist Regime. it might get taken more seriously.

Hamas never renewed the ceasefire and even Abbas conceded this fact...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gt9GHn9CznU


The ceasefire broken by Hamas was preceded by 12,000 rockets fired into Israel over the course of 8 years.

Israel had enough BS from Hamas and did what any country would have done 8 years and 12,000 rockets sooner.

 

[Bobby078]

Both sides are doing BS to eachother.

One is bulldozing houses and the other is hiding behind civilians and then firing rockets into israel hoping they will bomb the civilians so they can take pictures of it for propaganda.

 

[Marc39]

Both sides are doing BS to eachother.

One is bulldozing houses and the other is hiding behind civilians and then firing rockets into israel hoping they will bomb the civilians so they can take pictures of it for propaganda.

One is bulldozing houses built illegally and not in compliance with building codes, rendering them unsafe, on land owned by others.

If someone did that in my community in the US, the same consequences would ensue.

 

[Tin Foil Timothy]

The ceasefire broken by Hamas was preceded by 12,000 rockets fired into Israel over the course of 8 years.

No the ceasefire was never properly adhered to by Israel and was then totally broken by them in November 2008.

Israel had enough BS from Hamas and did what any country would have done 8 years and 12,000 rockets sooner.

Yes Hitler crushed the French Freedom Fighters too when he had the chance.

I know you won't bother reading anything that criticizes Israel but this might be of interest to others ...

Israel should pay attention to criticism from its own people

 

[Tin Foil Timothy]

One is bulldozing houses built illegally and not in compliance with building codes, rendering them unsafe, on land owned by others.

If someone did that in my community in the US, the same consequences would ensue.

Upon the self creation of Israel 400 Arab towns and villages were bulldozed to the ground to make way for Jewish towns and villages. This is the racist nature of the Zionist Movement.

People are fighting back and good for them. We can't have a world where a political group decides to tread all over others becuase they believe they are racially superior and are promised a certain tract of land because some Sky Fairy said so.

 

[Marc39]

No the ceasefire was never properly adhered to by Israel and was then totally broken by them in November 2008.

Abbas is a Zionist puppet, then, in publically accusing Hamas of violating the cease-fire by not renewing it?

You're going to have a difficult time convincing people, other than whackos, of this.

I know you won't bother reading anything that criticizes Israel but this might be of interest to others ...

Israel should pay attention to criticism from its own people

Now, you're resorting to Fisking me? Sorry, that dog won't hunt. Fisk is long-discredited as an anti-Israel zealot.

 

[Marc39]

Upon the self creation of Israel...

Self-creation of Israel, along with the support of the World War I Allies who established Palestine as the homeland for the Jews--Great Britain, France, Italy and Japan--transferring sovereignty over Palestine to Jews after the collapse of the Ottoman Empire; the support of the entire 51-state body of the League of Nations, Winston Churchill, US Presidents Woodrow Wilson, Calvin Coolidge and Harry Truman, both Houses of the US Congress, which issued a resolution supporting the Jewish homeland and the UN.

...400 Arab towns and villages were bulldozed to the ground to make way for Jewish towns and villages. This is the racist nature of the Zionist Movement.

Complete nonsense.

There are twice as many Palestinian settlements as there are Israeli settlements.

UN Resolution 181 according Israeli statehood, which the "Zionists" accepted, also did the same for Palestinians, who rejected statehood. They have no sovereignty and the amount of land privately owned is negligible. They're lucky the Israeli gov't is even putting up with their BS.

People are fighting back and good for them. We can't have a world where a political group decides to tread all over others becuase they believe they are racially superior and are promised a certain tract of land because some Sky Fairy said so.

"People" rejected self-determination and statehood on numerous occasions and have languished in squalor for over a half century as perpetual "refugees" as a direct consequence of their intolerance of Jews and the wars they started with them.

Good for them? Not at all. Nothing good has come from the anti-social behavior of the Arabs.

 

[Tin Foil Timothy]

You're going to have a difficult time convincing people, other than whackos, of this.

I know you won't bother reading anything that criticizes Israel but this might be of interest to others ...

Israel should pay attention to criticism from its own people

Now, you're resorting to Fisking me? Sorry, that dog won't hunt. Fisk is long-discredited as an anti-Israel zealot.

... by Zionist supporters I've no doubt.

Fisk is actually very well regarded in the rest of the world. The world who likes to see things how they actually are and not under some fictional theatre of playing the victim.

I appreciate that neo-Zionists regarding anyone who doesn't buy into their fantasy as wackos though. I'm happy to stand up and be counted as a wacko under that specification.