MaGZ's theory on 9/11

T.A.M. said:
Well it is an "interesting" theory. Now the next step is to provide EVIDENCE to support it.

Go...

TAM:)
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doesn't evidence come before the theory is developed?

at most, MaGZ has a hypothesis...NOT a theory.
 
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Hey, this makes my theory look sane in comparison! I at least have SOME evidence to support it!

My theory is that rogue submarines brought the towers down. They surfaced into the core, and then submerged, dragging the towers down with them.
My evidence? The "squibs". They look suspiciously like the air exiting the main ballast tank vents on subs when they submerge.
 
Wait...something I'm not understand about MaGz hypothesis. The damage and fires of building 7 were caused by an air-to-air missile, that was fired at one the of planes, and missed....but the fires in the WTC7 didn't start until after the first tower collapse.

I guess no one noticed the building burning for an hour? Or noticed a missile strike? LOL!
 
McHrozni said:
Let's see how this goes. Disclaimer: this is an attempt at parody (which will fail).

In early 1991, George H.W. Bush foresaw he was going to loose the election and made a contingency plan to allow his son George W. Bush to take power after a period of democrat rule. In uttermost secrecy he assembled a small, but extremely loyal team of operatives, loyalists since the Regan and Nixon times to pull off the attacks. Logistically the largest part of the operation was to wire up the WTC 1, 2 and 7, and this part took almost 10 years to complete. Every week a small portion of the building was wired up with bombs and thermite to be eventually demolished. Thermite was chosen because it's chemical signature would be lost in the building debris, and because it allowed for a silent demolition.

Another major aspect of the operation was infiltration of several operatives into NORAD and US military high commands in a way that was not suspicious. This was done through GOP contacts in the military, and the responsible officials were kept in the dark about the purpose of this infiltration, or indeed that there was an infiltration at all.

A third group prepared a secret missile launcher in Virginia, in order to attack the Pentagon. Further contacts were used to move people within the military who suspected the attack was going to take place into the wing of the Pentagon that was going to be attacked. To remove suspicion from themselves, the attack was planned to take place just after the wing was renovated and reinforced to ensure the majority of military brass would be safe - the vast majority of the military were unquestionably but ignorantly on the side of conspirators - they would support without a question, but didn't know what they were planning.

A fourth group tracked groups of innocent men of Muslim faith and Arab nationality to create a pool of future scapegoats that would be labeled as hijackers.

A fifth group group tracked frequent travelers between East and West coast, also to create a pool of victims whose voices would be simulated to their families.

A sixth group modified a number of aircraft, especially in AA and UA, with remote control systems, which enabled them to control the aircraft from special military planes and even ground facilities.

In late 1999 or early 2000 the preparations were complete and the time was right to call Diebold to ensure George W. Bush won the 2000 election. Immediately afterward the plan was set in motion: major exercises were scheduled on the exact day of the attack to cover for inefficiency of the response on that day. Work on the Pentagon was sped up, to allow the first undesirables to move in their new offices.

On the September of 11th, the conspirators choose from the pool of flights the four flights that best suited their parameters: they all had enough innocent Muslim men on board to allow for a convincing hijack, and most of them had at least a few people whose voices could be morphed. Ideally the conspirators aimed for 5 hijackers per plane, but Flight 93 had several people whose voices could be morphed, which is why this flight was picked.
Planes were hijacked by remote control and all communications were disabled. Using voice morphing technology the conspirators faked calls to the passengers' loved ones to create and illusion of an attack. Two planes were successfully flown into WTC 1 and 2, whereas a third plane was steered clear of the nations' capitol to plunge deep into the Atlantic ocean. This was necessary because the conspirators knew disabling Pentagons secret missile batteries was impossible. However this wasn't a problem to present to the public, since the missiles were known only to a small number of people (outside of US this was only known one french and one saudi officer). This was the reason a missile was used instead. Since most of the die-hard operatives had completed the tasks before this time they were used to fake plane crash evidence in front of the Pentagon, and a few patsies were bought off to testify of seeing a plane.

During the attacks, Flight 93 developed a communications fault and had to be shot down by the late-arriving fighters. Fake voice calls simulated a heroic resistance, which was a surprising boon to the conspirators. They claimed the plane wasn't shot down to promote the fake heroes and improve morale of their forces.

In the WTC complex, the two towers were demolished as planned. Thermite and bombs went off, and were convincingly explained by various experts and patsies. In order to make WTC 7s' collapse more convincing fake reports of fires and damage were circulated among the firefighters, so they expected the building to collapse. The building was then imploded. Larry Silverstien was a major financial contributor to the operation, which was why he was allowed such huge payouts from the insurance industry.

Bush had 8 years to run wild, after which he lost power because he was too stupid to property run his empire.

There, this covers the major bits. It failed as parody, however, since it is much more internally consistent than anything pushed forward by the twoofers.

McHrozni
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I still think Homeland Insurgency has the most robust theory of the 9/11 attacks; his fat wife threw planes into the towers.
 
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The US was caught by surprise on 9/11 because Israel did not tell what they knew.
 
parky76 said:
doesn't evidence come before the theory is developed?

at most, MaGZ has a hypothesis...NOT a theory.
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yes, if we go by the book. I was, much to my shame, talking in more laymens terms...you know...

"Nice theory guy, now how about some truth"...you know, kinda like that.

TAM:)
 
aggle-rithm said:
Why was Israel worried about Iraq?

In what way did the anthrax attacks lead to the invasion of Iraq?
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Before 9/11 Israel wanted to remove Sadam. The propaganda back then was the same today over Iran except they were talking about Sadam's WMDs instead of Iran's potential nukes. Israel decided in order to get the US to invade Iraq the US would have to suffer a bio-weapons attack.

Israel's Mossad learned of the 9/11 attacks and moved the anthrax attack operation up.

Once the anthrax attacks occurred the immediate speculation was Sadam did it. This helped the Bush administration to invade Iraq and Sadam was removed from power.
 
MaGZ said:
Amended opening statement:

The US was caught by surprise on 9/11 because Israel did not tell what they knew.
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Thank you for addressing the Single Greatest Error in your OP.[/sarcasm]
 
MaGZ said:
Before 9/11 Israel wanted to remove Sadam. The propaganda back then was the same today over Iran except they were talking about Sadam's WMDs instead of Iran's potential nukes. Israel decided in order to get the US to invade Iraq the US would have to suffer a bio-weapons attack.

Israel's Mossad learned of the 9/11 attacks and moved the anthrax attack operation up.

Once the anthrax attacks occurred the immediate speculation was Sadam did it. This helped the Bush administration to invade Iraq and Sadam was removed from power.
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you know, this is JREF.

guesses out of your bung-hole, without any confirmed evidence, really is not appropriate for explaining complicated current events.
 
Macgyver1968 said:
Wait...something I'm not understand about MaGz hypothesis. The damage and fires of building 7 were caused by an air-to-air missile, that was fired at one the of planes, and missed....but the fires in the WTC7 didn't start until after the first tower collapse.

I guess no one noticed the building burning for an hour? Or noticed a missile strike? LOL!
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Actually there is evidence from pictures taken from NJ showing the Twin Towers on fire after the attacks and a fire burning near the 12th floor of WTC 7.

There were several reports of persons seeing missiles. The CNN news reporter on the scene said people saw a missile. Also several calls to police 911 came in after the second plane crash with reports of missiles being fired.
 
MaGZ said:
Actually there is evidence from pictures taken from NJ showing the Twin Towers on fire after the attacks and a fire burning near the 12th floor of WTC 7.
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Bullcrap

There were several reports of persons seeing missiles. The CNN news reporter on the scene said people saw a missile. Also several calls to police 911 came in after the second plane crash with reports of missiles being fired.
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Mike Catalano.
 
MaGZ said:
There were several reports of persons seeing missiles. The CNN news reporter on the scene said people saw a missile.
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no. people mistook the second plane..for a missile.

stop lying about 9-11.
 
MaGZ said:
Actually there is evidence from pictures taken from NJ showing the Twin Towers on fire after the attacks and a fire burning near the 12th floor of WTC 7.

There were several reports of persons seeing missiles. The CNN news reporter on the scene said people saw a missile. Also several calls to police 911 came in after the second plane crash with reports of missiles being fired.
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I'd like to see these images. Why weren't there any reports on the news about 7 being on fire then, before the collapse?
 
McHrozni said:
It failed as parody, however, since it is much more internally consistent than anything pushed forward by the twoofers.
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Sad but true. And fact will go right over their heads to boot.
 
MaGZ said:
There were several reports of persons seeing missiles. The CNN news reporter on the scene said people saw a missile. Also several calls to police 911 came in after the second plane crash with reports of missiles being fired.
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No, it was A HAT-SHAPED PARANORMAL ACTIVITY.

And it flaps its wings, just like the missile in your video!
 
MaGZ said:
Actually there is evidence from pictures taken from NJ showing the Twin Towers on fire after the attacks and a fire burning near the 12th floor of WTC 7.

There were several reports of persons seeing missiles. The CNN news reporter on the scene said people saw a missile. Also several calls to police 911 came in after the second plane crash with reports of missiles being fired.
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I am going to try and be a nice as possible here.

When going through a traumatic situation, one is not exactly in the best state to make judgments on things that are happening in seconds. ( This btw is ignoring the fact that the sightings of missiles could be simple fabrications. )

As a great example, i was in a rather nasty car wreck and at one point i thought for certain my leg was removed from my body. Turns out nothing of the sort happened, and i am happily walking around today.

Point being being in the area of the towers falling would be a lot more disorienting and scary than a car wreck, so if a few people think they saw something weird , well that dosn't really surprise me. Now considering we have all the other people and the physical evidence to back up that they were in fact planes, i don't consider this testimony too damning.
 
i wanna know if MaGZ REALLY believes this stuff, or is just making fun of 9-11 truth.
 
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