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Magnetism problem

MRC_Hans said:
Edited to add: Does the word tape eraser mean anything to you?
No I've never had such a thing. I don't think there was a tape recorder in the house.

What there was, was a 40-mile round trip to school every day on public transport, sometimes running to make connections, carrying a heavy schoolbag in my hand (before the days when pupils were allowed to carry their stuff in rucksacks).

Maybe that's all it was. I did wear the watch on my left wrist and carry the bag in my right hand, but then I had to switch hands quite a lot too.

Rolfe.
 
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the human body affecting wireless signals is not supernatural, nor is it news, nor is it not understood.

a dead body will interfere with the signal too.

so would a large lump of rock.


olaf said:
Yep, that is what I think. I think that you have some very strange electrical field about you.

The chinese are correct. the polarity therapists are correct.

Like it or not -- there is a whole lot more going on than just the molecules and atoms that you learned about in school. However, since that is your life and how you define yourself i doubt you will be able to see beyond it. Too bad really.

(am i the only one who is intrigued with the car remote held up to the head trick? it is clear to me that the remote held to the head gets its boost from the energy field surrounding the brain.)
 
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olaf said:
(am i the only one who is intrigued with the car remote held up to the head trick? it is clear to me that the remote held to the head gets its boost from the energy field surrounding the brain.)
Well since we've resurrected that....

I'm not sure what "trick" this is, but I'm guessing it's the same thing as they reason that I find it almost impossible to tune my bedroom radio - because when I'm touching it my body acts as an aerial and the reception is fine, but as I move my hand more than a couple of inches away it goes all crackly again.

And once I've got it right, there's still a place in the room where, if I sit on the bed, the reception goes to hell.

And before Olaf gets going, everybody's body behaves like this. The body is a lump of electrolyte solution, of course it does. If I remember correctly, we even had somebody here who thought she was something special because she'd noticed she could do this, and thought she could win the Million Dollars. It was like taking candy from a baby, to tell her it was a natural effect that everyone could produce. :(

Rolfe.
 
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Rolfe said:
Well since we've resurrected that....

I'm not sure what "trick" this is, but I'm guessing it's the same thing as they reason that I find it almost impossible to tune my bedroom radio - because when I'm touching it my body acts as an aerial and the reception is fine, but as I move my hand more than a couple of inches away it goes all crackly again.


Rolfe.
Yo einstein. We are talking about transmitting not receiving.

Even still, it points to the body being electric in nature --energy. Your mistake is in only seeing the body as a collection of molecules and atoms. There is more going on at a deeper level.
 
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olaf said:
Even still, it points to the body being electric in nature --energy. Your mistake is in only seeing the body as a collection of molecules and atoms. There is more going on at a deeper level.

That modle seems to work quite well. Are you say that there are other particles in the body and if so what are they. If you are suggesting something along the lines of a soul with have a relgion and philosphy forum where as a bonus you can also disscuss concusness.
 
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olaf said:
Yo einstein. We are talking about transmitting not receiving.

Even still, it points to the body being electric in nature --energy. Your mistake is in only seeing the body as a collection of molecules and atoms. There is more going on at a deeper level.

guess what, antennas work both ways.

guess what else?

ever looked into what is floating around in a cloud around atoms?

electrons.

yes, we are partly electrical in nature, and partly carbon, and partly water, etc etc. All of these things being matter, which is in some sense apparently equivalent to energy.

none of this is news, all of this is understood by normal science.

none of it means you can move stuff with your mind, or read minds, or see the future, or heal people by sticking needles in their skin.
 
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Rolfe said:
I'm not sure what "trick" this is, but I'm guessing it's the same thing as they reason that I find it almost impossible to tune my bedroom radio - because when I'm touching it my body acts as an aerial and the reception is fine, but as I move my hand more than a couple of inches away it goes all crackly again.

Rolfe.

I love the "trick" of pointing my car remote underneath my jaw to unlock the car from a greater distance. I have no explanation, although I just figured my skull was acting as some kind of amplifier.

I've never caused computers or watches to stop, although I seem unable to get a heart rate reading on the exercise equipment at the gym.
 
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olaf said:
Yo einstein. We are talking about transmitting not receiving.

Even still, it points to the body being electric in nature --energy. Your mistake is in only seeing the body as a collection of molecules and atoms. There is more going on at a deeper level.
Yo, dunce, when it comes to antennas, there is no difference between transmitting and receiving. Perhaps you should stick to things you know about. Of course, that would make you quite silent.

No matter what goes on at a deeper level, when it comes to EM waves, the body IS a collection of molecules.

Hans
 
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olaf said:
Yo einstein. We are talking about transmitting not receiving.

Even still, it points to the body being electric in nature --energy. Your mistake is in only seeing the body as a collection of molecules and atoms. There is more going on at a deeper level.
Everything going on in the body can be explained by those boring old molcules and atoms.

Electrical activity can be measured and is a result of those charged particles (you know, sodium, potassium, bicarbonate, chloride, and mustn't forget calcium where would we be without that or magnesium), the ions, moving around specialised channels where their charges produce electrical activity. Very elegant, very well understood, or else we'd be in deep trouble trying to treat a whole host of common diseases.

Energy is wonderful stuff. You know about adenosine triphosphate and its high-energy phosphate bond which it will release on demand to produce adenosine diphosphate and an inorganic phosphate group, with the released energy being used to drive another desired reaction? You know how these high-energy bonds are stored as phosphocreatine, and are given up to the ATP as needed? You know about the great old enzyme, creatine kinase, which catalyses the reaction, and which incidentally gives us a neat easy way of telling if a patient has muscle damage? You know about creatinine, the breakdown product of creatine, which also incidentally gives us a neat easy way of telling if the patient's kidney function is significantly impaired?

Now, Olaf my sweet, the day you understand that lot completely, and are able to debate sensibly which things you can demonstrate are "going on" in the body which can't be accounted for in that way, maybe we'll start listening to you.

In the mean time, why not go away and get yourself an education?

Rolfe.
 
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wipeout said:


As to your watches, I have a wildly speculative idea about wind-up watches and wonder if you can charge them up and if the forces between charged internal parts could stop the watch. Maybe clothing rubbing against the watch and running around a lot might do it. Don't think it's true but let's see if someone knows better. :)


As you said, a wildly speculative idea. The electric charge resides on the surface of a body. It would be very unlikely that there would be any significant electrical charge inside the watch. Also, consider that it wasn't until recently that you find large amounts of plastic inside a watch. The plates are metal, the wheels are metall, the pivots are metal, the mainspring is metal ... and so on. About the only thing you'd find that was an insulator in a mechanical watch are the friction jewels. Not that they would have much effect -- the wheel-to-pinion connections are all metal to metal, all the way back to the mainspring barrel, which is all metal and connects directly with the plates, so any local charge would immediately leak through the whole array of parts.

Now, back in the late 70's/early 80's, I had frequent problems when I'd pull a wool sweater off in the middle of the winter and find the resulting static discharge had randomly reset my very expensive LCD wristwatch.

Of course, the solution to somebody who has "too much electricity in their body and can't wear a watch" is to sell them a suitably expensive eelskin band, which safely drains all the electricity away from the watch :D Watchmakers have developed suitable ploys for dealing with clients who experience such impossibilities as overwinding a watch, losing the night jewels, etc. It usually provides subtle amusement among other watchmakers and (usually) is not too expensive for the customer.

Regards;
Beanbag (watchmaker by choice, chance, and damned glad of it)
 
Beanbag,

Do you think that running around to try to catch trains and buses (the original reason for having to wear a watch in the first place), carrying a heavy schoolbag, might have been the problem all along?

Would that have been more of a shock to the delicate innards than my Mum doing housework and stuff?

Rolfe.
 
Rolfe said:
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Well, I seemed to be one. I had to wear a watch for school, because there were trains to catch. And school rules said they had to be engraved with your name, so it was a pain every time I needed a new one.

..

Rolfe.

Surprised no one picked up on this.

Could the act of engraving them have had something to do with it?
 
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alfaniner said:
Could the act of engraving them have had something to do with it?
Oh, they weren't all engraved. We sort of gave up on it after a bit, as the probability was that the damn thing would stop before I got round to losing it.

And the black-faced one that had belonged to my mother was never engraved at all. About 3 years with her, perfect time, then it lasts about 36 hours on me. :(

I'd have thought, anyway, that if engraving was the problem, it would show up at once rather than wait a few weeks - anyway, they take the back off the watch to do the engraving, so why should it matter?

No, I'm probably for the running for trains with heavy bags jolting around, if the electrical charge theory won't fly.

Rolfe.
 
Rolfe said:
Beanbag,

Do you think that running around to try to catch trains and buses (the original reason for having to wear a watch in the first place), carrying a heavy schoolbag, might have been the problem all along?

Would that have been more of a shock to the delicate innards than my Mum doing housework and stuff?

Rolfe.

I'm guessing we're talking somewhere around 1960 or so. The concept of "sport watches" really hadn't been developed at that time. The normal activity level for children would break the balance pivots quite easily. When I was in watchmaking school, I'd buy old watches in the local flea markets to have something fresh to work on besides the usual school watches that had been stripped and reassembled about 40 - 50 times. In most cases, I was buying from the original owner, who usually related the tale that one of their children/grandchildren had gotten ahold of the watch and it never ran again. The usual excuse was that the children had overwound the watch, but almost always I found that one or both of the balance pivots had been broken off. Just a matter of cutting out the old balance staff and rivetting in a new one, plus a good clean, lube, and adjust, and I'd have a decent watch for less than ten dollars, plus a passing grade.

Housework, while heavy, usually doesn't involve too much impact, and is therefore a lot less hard on the watch. The biggest risk would be water getting in the watch while washing up or cleaning, and most mothers would remove their watch, ESPECIALLY if they had only one (which was common) before filling a washpail.

Of course, you mentioned that your mother had the watch three years before she gave it to you. As an odd coincidence, it was normal for a watch to require a complete service and cleaning about every two or three years, as the state of watch oil technology in the 60's and before was nowhere near as sophisticated as today. It could just be that the watch was on its last legs when you got it.

My first watch in the 60's was a pocket watch designed especially for children. It was built like a tractor and survived the many times I pried the case open to ogle the works. The fact that it stayed in a pocket had a lot to do with its survival.

Antishock systems have gotten a lot better and are found in almost every watch made since the 90's. In the 60's and before, shock jeweling was a selling point that indicated a higher-grade watch, and was prominantly listed on the back of the case. If it wasn't mentioned, then it had plain jeweling for the balance wheel.

These days, you just see either "quartz", "Mechanique", or "automatic" on the back of even high-grade watches that start out at $2000 US and climb up from there. Shock jeweling is pretty much assumed to be universal. Having to re-staff a balance wheel is pretty much a rarity these days, and usually only to restore a vintage piece.

Regards;
Beanbag
 
Beanbag said:
I'm guessing we're talking somewhere around 1960 or so.
It was later than that - probably about 1966 through to the early 1970s. But they certainly weren't sports watches or anything particularly special. I suppose the idea was that it wasn't worth spending a lot of money on a watch for a child to break - which is a bit back to front if you really think about it but there you go. Besides, we didn't have any money.

I expect the things were just getting harder wear then I realised in my day-to-day activities. I was at secondary school so climbing trees wasn't a daily event, and we did take them off for sports, but even so, I think particularly about the pounding while running for trains carrying a heavy bag.

Rolfe.
 
Beanbag said:


*snip*
Of course, you mentioned that your mother had the watch three years before she gave it to you. As an odd coincidence, it was normal for a watch to require a complete service and cleaning about every two or three years, as the state of watch oil technology in the 60's and before was nowhere near as sophisticated as today. It could just be that the watch was on its last legs when you got it.

*snip*
Regards;
Beanbag
Heheh, I see the workings of a "case story", no healing here, but the same mechanism, only in reverse: The last remedy used before the patient would have died anyway gets the blame. ;) ;) :p

I dunno, Rolfe, but I have a daughter who is frightingly few years younger than you, and I remember how she moved when she was around 10 (I guess many kids do): Basically full-speed till she hit something, change course and full speed till she hit something else, etc....

She had a strong adversity against wearing watches (still has, btw), as she reconed that it was the job of the rest of the world to keep time with HER, so she did not have your problem, but I'm shure she could have spoiled wathces at an amazing rate :).

Hans
 
Ya know, this is really all just a guessing game about watches that had people three decades ago. Nobody can reasonably know what went on.

However, I will say that three decades ago I had a divers' watch. Although, given my funding at the time, it was more of a divers watch.

Anyway, I found I could stop and start it by the way I shook my wrist. After a while, I found that even a vigorous shake wouldn't start it any more. At this time, I acquired, by means I cannot remember, a rotary solenoid. I made a little jig and put the watch on it and got it to work for a few more months.
 
I'm sure Beanbag and Hans have the answers.
Hans-
Re magnetic fields, the trains Rolfe rode to school were electric, with large traction motors powered from overhead 25000V AC. I think the motors are 300V DC with paired motors in series on a 600V bus. Plenty step down and conversion. Plenty eddy currents.

Nb. I do not think that this would affect the watches , though I have watched a compass needle on that same train display some distinctly chaotic behaviour.

What I would suggest is that these were likely the strongest variable EM fields Rolfe's watch would encounter and they certainly never jinxed mine, or that of anyone else on the train that I know of.
So I go with the shock and "Aaw!" theory.
 
Soapy Sam said:
the trains Rolfe rode to school were electric, with large traction motors powered from overhead 25000V AC. I think the motors are 300V DC with paired motors in series on a 600V bus. Plenty step down and conversion.
Mmmn, the blue trains. I was on them some of the time, in fact a short time most days, but the ones I did the long-haul leg on were the green diesel things. They didn't electrify that part of the line till about 1974.

(Actually, when I started at secondary school, there were still a few steam trains about. How scary is that?)

Rolfe.
 
I started at Glasgow in 73. I think it was all electric by then. I forgot you were using the Lanark line -what - eight years earlier?
Still, unless you were doing some serious animal magnetism experiments the point stays valid - that would be the maximum mag field your watch was ever subject to and it still would not be nearly enough.

Morphic resonance. Has to be.:D
 

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