Lucky Psychics

[Rodney]

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[Rodney]

Err. No. If it ever happens, anytime, anywhere , please let us know.

I can't say that exact scenario has ever taken place (that scenario was merely illustrating a point, which you seem to have missed, that being outraged about a psychic's fee of $25 because it translates into a relatively high hourly rate of $75 is illogical), but consider this statement from retired police detective and polygraph expert Jerry Lewis about a case that involved psychic Nancy Orlen Weber:

In her chapter "Murder Close to Home", Nancy writes about a woman who was murdered in her home. Police focused on her daughter and some male friends of the victim because there did not appear to be any forced entry into the apartment. In addition, the murder weapon was from her kitchen. Their conclusions were sound based on the evidence at hand. Nancy told them early on that it was a stranger – a male stalker who lived in Netcong. She told them that he had watched her and had committed other crimes. She said that he had entered through the kitchen window. Investigators did not think that anyone had come through that window. We ended up polygraphing twelve potential suspects – friends and acquaintances who the victim may have let in. I remember one day that a detective told me they had talked to a psychic and she had given the initials of the murderer; "NM". I remember going through the list of people we were testing to see if any of them matched. We cleared everyone we tested. About nine months after the murder, police in Netcong conducted a search warrant on a burglary suspect and found a stack of newspaper articles about the murder in Mt. Olive. They checked the man's fingerprints and matched them to an unidentified fingerprint that had been lifted from the victim's kitchen window. His name was Nicholas Muscio and he was found guilty of the murders. He had not known the victim.

See http://www.nancyorlenweber.com/References.html

 

[Ersby]

In that testimonial, he said he got hold of her book in 1995. Typing "Nicholas Muscio" into google brings up a special agent's cv that includes a reference to the Nicholas Muscio homocide case, dated September 1995. Pretty fast turnaround for a book to be published.

 

[Cuddles]

Okay, so suppose for the same $25, Eire's psychic had conducted only a 5-minute reading. However, in that reading, she told Eire the name of the man who murdered her friend, and informed her that her friend's body is underneath the man's porch. Based on a tip from Eire, police then find the body underneath that porch. Would you be outraged that the hourly rate for Eire's reading was $300?

And yet that has absolutely nothing to do with anything. The point is that this psychic did not do that. S/he could not do that. No psychic in the entire history of the whole universe has ever done that. What they do do is charge extortionate rates, far above what highly qualified professionals can, and all you get in return is some meaningless waffle. For the "better" psychics it may be meaningless waffle obtained via cold and/or hot reading. For the majority it is simply waffle.

The point is, if there was actually a service provided it would be a completely different matter. But there isn't. Your claim that $75 an hour is cheap just because the better frauds charge more is almost as ridiculous as all the other claims you make.

 

[Rodney]

In that testimonial, he said he got hold of her book in 1995. Typing "Nicholas Muscio" into google brings up a special agent's cv that includes a reference to the Nicholas Muscio homocide case, dated September 1995. Pretty fast turnaround for a book to be published.

Your search produced a misleading result: Muscio was originally convicted of murder in 1991 and sentenced to life in prison, but that conviction was overturned on appeal in 1994. He was retried and again convicted at a second trial that ended in November 1995, and he was again sentenced to life in prison on January 11, 1996. See the Newark (NJ) Star-Ledger, January 12, 1996.

 

[Rodney]

. . . Your claim that $75 an hour is cheap just because the better frauds charge more is almost as ridiculous as all the other claims you make.

Only ALMOST as ridiculous? By George, I think I'm making progress!

 

[Slimething]

First, you have to tell me what would constitute proof from your point of view.

Rodney, I don't have to do anything of the kind. I am of the opinion that the psychic was spouting stuff she didn't know. That opinion is based on the fact that no evidence exists for anything she said. Also, my opinion is based on historical evidence that psychics cannot prove their claims. Sorry, the ball is squarely in your court if you would want me to believe that any of this prediction was based on a paranormal ability to see facts that are not already likely.

Fine, but the point is that the psychic said that Eire's friend was murdered by someone she knew, which presumably was also thought to be a strong possibility by police. Nonetheless, it now appears from Eire's account that the police failed to prevent the murderer from taking a second life.

A circular argument destined for the circular file, Rodney. The only basis you have for believing that the murderer has taken a second life if based on your belief that the reading was true. Also, your concept that the police serve a prophylactic is quite bizarre. The police cannot in actuality prevent a crime, only enforce the law.

 

[Rodney]

Rodney, I don't have to do anything of the kind. I am of the opinion that the psychic was spouting stuff she didn't know. That opinion is based on the fact that no evidence exists for anything she said.

The evidence isn't conclusive, but it's pointing in her favor because, according to Eire, Eire's friend's ex-fiance allegedly murdered his new girlfriend and is a prime suspect in the death of Eire's friend.

Also, my opinion is based on historical evidence that psychics cannot prove their claims. Sorry, the ball is squarely in your court if you would want me to believe that any of this prediction was based on a paranormal ability to see facts that are not already likely.

Check out the two testimonials from law enforcement officers to Nancy Weber on her website. She's the real deal.

A circular argument destined for the circular file, Rodney. The only basis you have for believing that the murderer has taken a second life if based on your belief that the reading was true.

Again, Eire states that her friend's ex-fiance is a prime suspect in two murders. None of us here know the details, but I doubt if Eire is trying to make her psychic look good.

Also, your concept that the police serve a prophylactic is quite bizarre. The police cannot in actuality prevent a crime, only enforce the law.

My point is that the consensus here is that any fool should have known that Eire's friend was done in by someone she knew. However, a seemingly logical candidate to have murdered her -- her ex-fiance -- was apparently not charged by police, and now he appears to have killed his new girlfriend.

 

[Slimething]

Rodney, I'm not going to be drawn out into another interminable thread where you duck the issues and merely insist that you must be right. Neither Eire nor her psychic have been proven right but you maintain that they must be because the police suspect they are. You have unilateraly decided that the ex-fiance is guilty of two murders because the police suspect him (notice you've changed your tune as you originally whined that he hadn't been arrested). And, like I give a flying F as to what a suspected liar says on her website.

Please accept this picture for your thread:

 

[Rodney]

Rodney, I'm not going to be drawn out into another interminable thread where you duck the issues and merely insist that you must be right. Neither Eire nor her psychic have been proven right but you maintain that they must be because the police suspect they are.

No, I'm just going by Eire's account. Now, if she said the psychic was 100% right, I would be more suspicious of that account. However, she's skeptical of the psychic, so why would she be trying to make the psychic look good?

You have unilateraly decided that the ex-fiance is guilty of two murders because the police suspect him (notice you've changed your tune as you originally whined that he hadn't been arrested).

You continue to miss the point about the ex-fiance not being arrested in the disappearance of Eire's friend. Evidently, the police did not have enough evidence to arrest him, even though he presumably would have been a significant person of interest based on historical statistics. Accordingly, the fact that Eire's psychic told Eire that someone her friend knew was involved in her friend's disappearance was not trivial.

And, like I give a flying F as to what a suspected liar says on her website.

The police seem to believe that this "suspected liar" has been a major help in several cases.

Please accept this picture for your thread:

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I'm glad to see you finally made a worthwhile contribution to the thread.

 

[rjh01]

Where is my cat? I lost my cat somewhere around here.

 

[Roadtoad]

Anyone interested in a recipe for a great loaf of bread?

 

[Slimething]

Anyone interested in a recipe for a great loaf of bread?

Hell, yeah! I make my own bread and would love a new recipe..as long as it doesn't involve kittens!