Lucianarchy and remote viewing

[Ratman_tf]

Definition of Psirony:
A so called psychic prediction that is indistinguishable from a guess or coincidence, and has no practical value since it cannot be determined to be a prediction until after an event has occured.

If this is psychic power, I'm really unimpressed.

 

[athon]

While I'm totally not discounting the 'guessing' option, I still don't think it is valid. Ladybrooke is not a prominant part of Belfast, and there are other cities that would have been more obvious to refer to.

It's very likely, here is why. Luci just wrote "Ladybrook." at the end of one of his posts with NO references to it. It wasn't a sentence, and it didn't have anything to do with the post or conversation. Therefore, if something happened to a ladybrook, or in ladybrook.. lucky has "made a prediction". But, if nothing happened, most people will have forgotten the word was ever typed, and if someone asked why the word was typed, an evasion would come. It's the art of not making a prediction, Lucky did not make a prediction of any sort, he just typed one word. bellfast.

Sorry, the whole guessing thing does not wash with me, not unless all other options have been explored. If it was 'New York', or 'Indonesia', I'd agree. But Ladybrooke has no relevance to anything.

Here's another example - I put the word 'aardvark' at the end of my post. The word is 'going through my head', as it is. If I want to 'guess' a significant event that will include an animal (e.g., next cloning, an escapee from the zoo...non-specific), why choose an aardvark? I would say 'mouse', or 'monkey' - something that would be more certain to get a hit.

I feel a little embarrassed by the behaviour here. Everybody is trying to bash a reason home without any regards to its validity. Could it be a guess? Sure - but while Luci did not stipulate what the word was in relation to (I'd imagine it would make it seem a little more esoteric, give it more of a mystery factor, but that's just my opinion), it was still too precise to be a good guess.

How big is Ladybrooke? How many towns that size are there throughout the world? Conservatively, a few tens of thousands? Narrow it down to world hotspots, and you might have - what? - a couple of thousand? Compare this with how many news reports mentioned a town that size or bigger. Let's say significant items, maybe twenty. And this one word was picked out of nowhere as a guess? Twenty news stories mentioning Ladybrooke sized towns out of thousands of possible towns...you do the maths.

Also consider that I've never seen Luci just write random words (otherwise I would agree, lucky guess).

Come on folks, where's the critical analysis?

I still say there must be other considerations more likely. Could a post be generated, posted, edited and sat on for an hour, and then re-posted?

Athon

 

[athon]

OK, this is my guess.

I posted my last post at '9:11', Randi Time. I edited it one minute later, sat on it for five minutes, edited it, and reposted. No mentioned of 'edited' came up, and the old time remains.

I propose that unless Luci can state otherwise, it is more likely that the post was made at the time mentioned, sent to edit within two minutes, was left in edit while a significant news story was found an hour later, the word was added (with a single word to make it seem like it was just a word to quickly write down - Hell, I'm a writer, and if I wanted a psychic to seem mysterious, this is what I would do) and reposted, without any sign of it. Occham's Razor would mean it is more likely this happened than Luci has access to a field of hereto unstudied field of physics and biology.

I tested it then on a small scale, and it seems feasible.

Anybody with more time on their hands can try a full scale version.

Now, unless somebody saw the word within that hour, I feel my case can be rested.

Athon

 

[thaiboxerken]

Sorry, the whole guessing thing does not wash with me, not unless all other options have been explored. If it was 'New York', or 'Indonesia', I'd agree. But Ladybrooke has no relevance to anything.

That's the point! If NOTHING happened, no one would even be asking about ladybrook. Heck, many of us had to go back through this post to see what the hell Luci was talking about when he claimed ladybrook. It was an insignificant word at the end of a post, until Lucky found some kind of significance for it. It might now wash with you, but many others here agree with my "nonprediction" hypothesis.


Here's another example - I put the word 'aardvark' at the end of my post. The word is 'going through my head', as it is. If I want to 'guess' a significant event that will include an animal (e.g., next cloning, an escapee from the zoo...non-specific), why choose an aardvark? I would say 'mouse', or 'monkey' - something that would be more certain to get a hit.

Yea, but if you placed aardvark at the end of a post with no reference to it, most people would forget immediately that you placed the word there.


I feel a little embarrassed by the behaviour here. Everybody is trying to bash a reason home without any regards to its validity. Could it be a guess? Sure - but while Luci did not stipulate what the word was in relation to (I'd imagine it would make it seem a little more esoteric, give it more of a mystery factor, but that's just my opinion), it was still too precise to be a good guess.

I'm embarrassed that you call yourself a skeptic and yet you can't understand the "nonprediction" hypothesis. It could very well have been a guess, and also.. there are many "ladybrook's" in the world. Just do a google and type in "ladybrook". It very well could've been a guess. If wrong, no one would know or care. If right, Lucky can claim "prediction". You're just not getting it, are you?


How big is Ladybrooke? How many towns that size are there throughout the world? Conservatively, a few tens of thousands? Narrow it down to world hotspots, and you might have - what? - a couple of thousand? Compare this with how many news reports mentioned a town that size or bigger. Let's say significant items, maybe twenty. And this one word was picked out of nowhere as a guess? Twenty news stories mentioning Ladybrooke sized towns out of thousands of possible towns...you do the maths.

Not much of significance happened, really. It was a nonevent.


Also consider that I've never seen Luci just write random words (otherwise I would agree, lucky guess).

It's rather irrelevant.


Come on folks, where's the critical analysis?

Many critical analysis have been given.


I still say there must be other considerations more likely. Could a post be generated, posted, edited and sat on for an hour, and then re-posted?


If no person read the post, yes. Also, the clocks in the forum were not very accurate at the time. It could very well be that Lucky has the unique ability to "predict" an event while he watches it occur on TV.

 

[BNiles]

OK, this is my guess.

I posted my last post at '9:11', Randi Time. I edited it one minute later, sat on it for five minutes, edited it, and reposted. No mentioned of 'edited' came up, and the old time remains.

I propose that unless Luci can state otherwise, it is more likely that the post was made at the time mentioned, sent to edit within two minutes, was left in edit while a significant news story was found an hour later, the word was added (with a single word to make it seem like it was just a word to quickly write down - Hell, I'm a writer, and if I wanted a psychic to seem mysterious, this is what I would do) and reposted, without any sign of it. Occham's Razor would mean it is more likely this happened than Luci has access to a field of hereto unstudied field of physics and biology.

I tested it then on a small scale, and it seems feasible.

Anybody with more time on their hands can try a full scale version.

Now, unless somebody saw the word within that hour, I feel my case can be rested.

Athon

1st:
You beat me to it. I did the same test. Also, I used the search feature to examine the thread. I didn't find that it had been edited, but I did see that the next post (by cOrbin) was 1 hour and 2 minutes after Luci's. This, in combination with the fact that the thread clock has been known to be as much as 40 minutes off, opens the door to many questions of doubt.

2nd:
Sorry Luci. If you truly felt that this word really meant something at the time, you should have made it clear. Even if you stated another word along with it like bomb or bus it would have been more believable. Something of which others could see as clearly relating to the event. It's just not very convincing.


Ladybrook....?

 

[BNiles]

Edit on my last post

My last post was edited to add Ladybrook....?

I posted, then waited 4 minutes, and then went into edit and waited another 20 minutes before I saved the changes. No one had posted in the interim, but the post was noted as being edited.

I have done multiple edits of a single post in other threads, but all were within the 2-minute time frame, and no notation was made regarding the edits.


Test Edit after 30 sec
waited 30 minutes to save changes.

 

[juninho]

Re: Edit on my last post

My last post was edited to add Ladybrook....?

I posted, then waited 4 minutes, and then went into edit and waited another 20 minutes before I saved the changes. No one had posted in the interim, but the post was noted as being edited.

I have done multiple edits of a single post in other threads, but all were within the 2-minute time frame, and no notation was made regarding the edits.

Whether you posted or not is irrelevant. Its whether someone has VIEWED the post in the meantime that is important. In other words its a two-fold process,, both of which need to be in place;

1) you can click to edit a post within 4 minutes and it will not show as edited. It will still be time-stamped as the original posting time.

2) You can then leave that post in open edit "mode" and (and this is the crunch part) as long as no-one views a post in the thread (which as it is the last one, means your "currently open in edit post" before you then submit your edit, it will still show as unedited no matter how long you leave it before submitting changes. Claus, Thaiboxerken and Voidx can you PM me about this for clarification.

 

[BNiles]

That's what I found as well, and why I did a few test here to try and clarify it. This is also important with the fact that I stated earlier about the next post being over an hour later.

Thanks for the backup info.

 

[Lucianarchy]

Re: Re: Edit on my last post

Whether you posted or not is irrelevant. Its whether someone has VIEWED the post in the meantime that is important. In other words its a two-fold process,, both of which need to be in place;

1) you can click to edit a post within 4 minutes and it will not show as edited. It will still be time-stamped as the original posting time.

2) You can then leave that post in open edit "mode" and (and this is the crunch part) as long as no-one views a post in the thread (which as it is the last one, means your "currently open in edit post" before you then submit your edit, it will still show as unedited no matter how long you leave it before submitting changes. Claus, Thaiboxerken and Voidx can you PM me about this for clarification.

I am skeptical of your claim. Please provide your source for this 'not viewed' nonsense,

Besides, I saw at least 10 - 12 views register after I posted and before Corbin. I suspect one of them was TBK, it was his thread about me, and I posted shortly after his opening post, he was active elsewhere on the forum, so you can be sure he was one of the 'dishonest dozen' who will not come forward and admit they saw that post of mine.

I did not cheat ( I wouldn't know how, I'm not a computer buff). I have explained what happened, if you want to call me 'Lucky' (as per Corbin), then "go ahead, punk, make my day".

 

[thaiboxerken]

I don't really think Lucky cheated either. He's delusional enough to actually think this "ladybrook" word of his was actually RV.

Of course, most of us, if not all.. would've just forgotten that "ladybrook" was written down.

By his own admission, lucky said that he forgot that he wrote the word down until the next day. Just think, if nothing happened, would there be a conversation about "ladybrook" at all?

It's a win/win unfalsifiable situation for Luci. If nothing happened, no one would notice or care. I mean, one word isn't a prediction. Something happens, then Lucky can claim the word is a prediction.

 

[athon]

Well, I'm just going to have to 'agree to disagree'. Ladybrooke has not been an obvious item in the news before - even a small article, from what I could find. The 'significant hit / forgettable miss' theory works much of the time for many charlatans, but only where multiple attempts are made.

Besides, I have to ask if it was a guess, why so specific as a small town? As far as the 'nothing happened' argument, enough happened for it to make a news report.

TBK, I do understand the concept of 'significant hit / forgettable miss', and don't discount it as a possibility. But I just think that until it is discounted, the cheat theory has more credit.

A one off word when Luci has never committed such an act is more obvious as a potential cheat than a potential guess. Why just blurt a single word - in one instance - in the vain hope that it will be significant in the near future? If Luci did it often, sure. But this isn't the case.

Athon

 

[thaiboxerken]

Besides, I have to ask if it was a guess, why so specific as a small town? As far as the 'nothing happened' argument, enough happened for it to make a news report.

It doesn't matter, when someone is depending on the forgettable miss ANY word can be typed and forgotten.


TBK, I do understand the concept of 'significant hit / forgettable miss', and don't discount it as a possibility. But I just think that until it is discounted, the cheat theory has more credit.

That's your opinion, fine.


A one off word when Luci has never committed such an act is more obvious as a potential cheat than a potential guess. Why just blurt a single word - in one instance - in the vain hope that it will be significant in the near future? If Luci did it often, sure. But this isn't the case.

It doesn't matter how many guesses there are or were. One guess is still just a guess. Why did Luci decide to toss a word out there? No one but Luci knows. But, we do know this.. if nothing happened involving "ladybrook", we wouldn't be having this conversation. One word can be forgotten, and was forgotten by EVERYONE including Luci.

 

[BNiles]

By his own admission, lucky said that he forgot that he wrote the word down until the next day. Just think, if nothing happened, would there be a conversation about "ladybrook" at all?

Yeah...I'd like to know how that happened. Luci gets a "psychic impression" so strong that he's compelled to go out of character. He writes an obscure word at the end of his 1st post and doesn't state to anyone that he did it because of this feeling. And then almost immediately forgets it.

In a thread where his psychic ability is specifically in question, he makes this "miraculous prediction" yet conveniently doesn't call attention to it (?). Then likewise forgets it himself (?). This , of all things. An unarguable proof of his "powers" in his 1st post, yet no mention, no attention, and no memory of it. Utterly unbelievable.

 

[KelvinG]

Well, I'm just going to have to 'agree to disagree'. Ladybrooke has not been an obvious item in the news before - even a small article, from what I could find. The 'significant hit / forgettable miss' theory works much of the time for many charlatans, but only where multiple attempts are made.

Besides, I have to ask if it was a guess, why so specific as a small town? As far as the 'nothing happened' argument, enough happened for it to make a news report.

TBK, I do understand the concept of 'significant hit / forgettable miss', and don't discount it as a possibility. But I just think that until it is discounted, the cheat theory has more credit.

A one off word when Luci has never committed such an act is more obvious as a potential cheat than a potential guess. Why just blurt a single word - in one instance - in the vain hope that it will be significant in the near future? If Luci did it often, sure. But this isn't the case.

Athon

Considering Luci's history of dishonest and fraudulent behaviour on this board, I would bet heavily on the cheat theory.
Luci has given us no reason in the past to believe or trust anything she says.

And now, suddenly, we are supposed to be amazed by a paranormal occurence on a message board with a history of time stamp malfunctions.
Sorry Luci, but even if your experience can be attributed to psi, this is hardly a scientific venue and your demands that others believe your claims is just further evidence of your naivety and your constant need to be given a "free ride."

Nice try, but you lose again.

 

[Chupacabras]

You are sooooooooo naive.

... After reading the context of his postsm and from my own experiences with psiriony I had warned him that it was possible he was being used as a 'medium'.

After reading the context of his posts and from my own experiences with psirony, I think this guy KNEW what was going to happen!

(I love the hammer. Thanks for showing it to me, btw)

... After the event took place, I heard from him no more:

Maybe because the guy was KILLED while piloting one of those planes Do I get an "A"? Atta or something?

Luci, the simplest explanation of all is that you correspond with terrorists

Save yourself the crying about this statement of mine and tell me what I am showing in front of my monitor (tip: it is either on my front or my rear).



(Man, is that hammer good)

 

[Lothian]

Well, I'm just going to have to 'agree to disagree'. Ladybrooke has not been an obvious item in the news before - even a small article, from what I could find. The 'significant hit / forgettable miss' theory works much of the time for many charlatans, but only where multiple attempts are made.

Yes multiple guesses would be a sign that someone is playing the odds. However, Luci’s guess has multiple answers. She got an impression ‘Ladybrook’ nothing else no terrorist, no bomb, specifically no timeframe. This latter is emphasised in her quote.

Originally posted by Lunacy
This is how RV impressions work, often nothing clear, which is all that I could pick up, a name. More precognition than RV, but RV works across time points.

Therefore her impression could have been a past even or one still to happen.

Five days ago the Ladybrook estate in Nottingham was in the news following the murder of Gladys Godfrey. Luci can not tell us if her Psychic impression was of this event. Or perhaps the impression was of Lady Brook. or even Lady Brooke.

 

[juninho]

I don't really think Lucky cheated either. He's delusional enough to actually think this "ladybrook" word of his was actually RV.

Sorry, TBK, but must disagree with you on this one. To paraphrase a certain individual "the data speaks for itself" in this matter.

Lets take them one by one.

1) He/She/It allegedly posts a predicition, the one and only time in 1880 posts that she (for arguments sake) has posted. This in a thread called "Lucianarchy and remote viewing". Do you not think this is even in the slightest bit suspicious?

2) It has been demonstrated that you can edit posts so that their timestamps remain the same and that you can avoid the "Last edited...." message. Her protestations about being computer illiterate don't wash with me, she is a known liar.

3) Why, if she doesn't know about how to work the system vis-a-vis editing would she be astutely following how many people had viewed certain threads. In her own words "Besides, I saw at least 10 - 12 views register after I posted and before Corbin. I suspect one of them was TBK, it was his thread about me, and I posted shortly after his opening post, he was active elsewhere on the forum, so you can be sure he was one of the 'dishonest dozen' who will not come forward and admit they saw that post of mine." This does not sound like someone who is completely out of touch with their "technical side" to me.

She cheated. Simple as that.

 

[CFLarsen]

She cheated. Simple as that.

Y....up.

 

[thaiboxerken]

Sorry, TBK, but must disagree with you on this one. To paraphrase a certain individual "the data speaks for itself" in this matter.

Lets take them one by one.

She cheated. Simple as that.

You do present a strong case. However, with the nature of the "prediction", Lucky really wouldn't have had to cheat.

1. It wasn't a prediction, just a word.

2. People forget, and did forget, the word because it was insignificant.

3. there are many, many answers or meanings that ladybrook could fit into.. past, present and future.

4. this is another classic case of a non-prediction.



So, it is agreed among us skeptics that there are mundane explanations for this "ladybrook" claim. It would be stupid to entertain luci's claim of actually using RV ability in this case.


Both mundane claims are equally likely given Luci's lack of integrity and the nature of this non-prediction.

 

[Lucianarchy]

The reason TBK is not going to support the completely unsupported claim of cheating, is that he saw, along with about a dozen others who also remain silent, the post at the time it was posted.

If the claim is that you can edit as long as no one 'sees the thread' , then show the proof, where is the source for this claim.

Such desperate tactics I have not seen for a long time.

TBK and others know damn well the post was original and unedited and posted before the event took place. Was I supposed to be waiting for a post about me and RV to come along, gambling that no one would view my first post, somehow get intelligence before the police and media, and hope to get it edited, undetected, unrecorded and unseen minutes before Corbin posted? I don't know which is 'luckier', guessing 'ladybrook' would become a major terrorist attack within an hour or so of my prediction, or hoping all the factors above would come together and find some secret way of editing a post without anyone detecting it or recording it, all dujring a busy time of the forum and when at *least* 10-12 people viewed the thread between my posting and Corbin's.