Lucianarchy and remote viewing

[davidhorman]

I am sure someone has already confirmed that you can't edit a post an hour later without it being recorded by contacting the admin. It would be the correct and skeptical thing to do. Either they haven't, in which case they should, or they have and are not going to report the fact because it proves that I couldn't have edited an hour later without it being recorded. David, have you checked the technical capabilities with the admin yourself yet?

Nope, and to be honest I don't know that any of them would know. Vbulletin being commercial as it is, I can't find the source code, but the relevant file is editpost.php. As best I can tell from some posts on the Vbulletin forum, there isn't any setting that specifies that posts can be transparently edited if no-one has read the thread.

As I can't see the source, I can't say it isn't possible to sit there and edit a post every minute, resetting the counter, but I would expect it would be timed from the original posting time, not the last edited time. So I'm leaning towards putting this in the file marked "mildly interesting coincidence", at the moment.

{OT}In all seriousness Luci, and feel free to just give a yes or no answer, neither of which I'll ridicule, is there any chance you'll ever discuss the lottery numbers thing again? I'd seriously like to see it tested, but I don't want to go starting threads about it if you don't want to participate.

David

 

[Ersby]

Um, Ersby, please show how it is possible to post and edit without it being time stamped. Call me a skeptic, but I just don't believe your story about "no one posting in the meantime" rubbish. I posted at 3.30pm. I did not edit it. Even if we take your scenario, I would have somehow had to have had access to what was going on in Belfast somehow and get the post edited (undetected) even before the police were wise to the what was going on, let alone the media! But anyway, please go ahead and demonstrate how this supposed editing can be done. There must be some quiet forums amongst all thje jref ones, go ahead and do it. Please. It's all you have to support your claim. BTW, If you think a bus hijacked by terrorists, packed with explosives, driven through a residential area and parked outside a police station is only a "minor story", then ....

If you look on page two of this thread, I have three posts. Each one of these was edited. Does it say so at the bottom every time? Nope. So from that I take it I've supported my claim, right? Good.

As for knowing what was going on, lets not forget your claim to working in the judiciary. I'm sure you have some contacts remaining, through which you can get information quickly that isn't known to the media. (I didn't say anything about the police not knowing about it.)

Re the minor-ness of the story, perhaps you'd do better to complain to all the major newspapers of the UK, since they don't seem to think the story is important enough to cover.

The fact is you made a "prediction" in a space of time which extends almost half an hour after the event. I'm happy with my explanation that, through a fortunate series of events (the quietness of the jref board, getting a piece of news quickly), you were able to pull off this trick. I do think that's pretty impressive. But not psychic.

 

[Pyrrho]

If posts are edited before they are viewed by others, the "edited by..." line won't appear.

 

[fsol]

AlienX: I can see your monitor and it has dust on top of it

 

[Jeff Corey]

If posts are edited before they are viewed by others, the "edited by..." line won't appear.

Ok, that's why my late night trivial posts could be edited 20 minutes later, it was the viewing, not posting by others that produced that addendum. So that gave Luci a lot of time to edit, since it is such a waste of time to look at its posts.

I just edited again, let's see if it shows up.

And again.

Saybrook..

 

[Lucianarchy]

The fact is you made a "prediction" in a space of time which extends almost half an hour after the event. I'm happy with my explanation that, through a fortunate series of events (the quietness of the jref board, getting a piece of news quickly), you were able to pull off this trick. I do think that's pretty impressive. But not psychic.

I've rarely seen as much desperate ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ as this.

I posted at 3.33pm. I am happy to swear on mine or anyone elses life that I did not edit that post.

If you want believe, for some reason, that I somehow managed to get hold of the Ladybrook terrorist attack before the press / media ( I didn't even know about it until Sunday on the BBC ) and before the police, and get it post edited somehow ( apparently Jeff is now saying it can be done, but is keeping it a secret ), and roll it all together quickly just before Corbin posted, then frankly, that's up to you. But I can assure you, in fact I promise you, on my life, that did not happen.

Apart from anything else, as far as I can tell, the forum clock's only out by 20 mins anyway, so all your desperataion is moot.

Also, considering, I posted only five mins after the intital opening post by TBK, and an hour before Corbin replied and in between that time even I witnessed the 'view' register additions, then there are some very dishonest people here who are keeping quiet about the fact that they viewed this post between my posting and Corbin's reply and could therefore disprove that I somehow had access to Jeff's 'secret' editing technique .

Most people know damn well that I did not / could not have accomplished such a bizarre convoluted scam within such a short space of time, and some people also know damn well that they saw the post before Corbin posted anyway.

The fact that you and a few others here are trying to spin this into some extraordinary denial speaks volumes about the personal need you have for RV not to exist.

Ersby, in short, we both you know that you are wrong.

You are wrong, and the implications of your building an extraordinary denial are enormous, far, far worse than any 'psychic scam', in fact the wilfull denial and dishonesty being employed here by a few people is exactly the sort of thing which is censoring the true development in the understanding of frontier science. You should be ashamed of yourself. One day, I can assure you, this will come back to haunt you, and you will have to deal with that shame.

Think about that before you sleep, when there is no one else around you to lie to, but yourself.

 

[Starrman]

Even with all your supposed slow jref clocks and supposed undetected editing how was I supposed to intercept police messages and get them to the forum even before the event took place and even before the terrorists parked the bus rigged with explosives outside the police station!!??

Again - you ignored my point. Man, you are dense. There is no reason to believe that the exact time of the event was the very first moment the police knew about it or were discussing it on their radios.

Posted by me - yesterday:

Although the piece said the incident happened two hours after you posted, that doesn't mean the police didn't know anything about it two hours earlier. My thought was the police were aware of a threat to Ladybrook, were discussing it on their radios and you heard it on a police scanner.

This would explain why you weren't more specific, and only threw out a single name.

 

[Lucianarchy]

Again - you ignored my point. Man, you are dense. There is no reason to believe that the exact time of the event was the very first moment the police knew about it or were discussing it on their radios.

Posted by me - yesterday:


This would explain why you weren't more specific, and only threw out a single name.

Whatever. I can tell you that I know Jack Straw about police scanners, maybe you know more, are they able to detect and pick up the police in Belfast, Ireland, from the UK mainland?

Even so, how come the terrorists managed to drive a bloody bus packed with explosives through residential Ladybrook and park the bugger outside of a police station and scarper before the police caught them? According to you, the police and presumably everyone else in the entire UK was listening in whilst this was going on. You'd think they'd at least give them a ticket for double parking outside of the police station.

 

[Starrman]

Whatever. I can tell you that I know Jack Straw about police scanners, maybe you know more, are they able to detect and pick up the police in Belfast, Ireland, from the UK mainland?

Fine - I was only trying to demonstrate why I thought it was a possibility. If you say you did not use a police scanner, fine with me.

Even so, how come the terrorists managed to drive a bloody bus packed with explosives through residential Ladybrook and park the bugger outside of a police station and scarper before the police caught them? According to you, the police and presumably everyone else in the entire UK was listening in whilst this was going on. You'd think they'd at least give them a ticket for double parking outside of the police station.

I didn't say the police knew there was a bus with a bomb on it two hours before. I said the police may have known there was a threat to Ladybrook in general.

I don't care to argue the scanner any more - again, it was just one possibility I thought of and presented for discussion. Don't you ever get tired of rolling your eyes at any view point that isn't exactly like yours?

And you again ignored my question about AlienX's challenge - what about it does not seem reasonable to you?

 

[CFLarsen]

Whatever. I can tell you that I know Jack Straw about police scanners, maybe you know more, are they able to detect and pick up the police in Belfast, Ireland, from the UK mainland?

With the Internet, nothing is local anymore.

Even so, how come the terrorists managed to drive a bloody bus packed with explosives through residential Ladybrook and park the bugger outside of a police station and scarper before the police caught them?

How far did they actually go, Lucianarchy? How long was the bus hijacked?

According to you, the police and presumably everyone else in the entire UK was listening in whilst this was going on. You'd think they'd at least give them a ticket for double parking outside of the police station.

It is exaggerations like these that really make me suspect foul play from you, Lucianarchy. If you are right, you have absolutely no reason for this hyperbole.

If you are wrong, on the other hand, it makes perfectly sense.

 

[thaiboxerken]

I posted at 3.33pm. I am happy to swear on mine or anyone elses life that I did not edit that post.

You can swear all you want, but if you lied or not is not something we can really tell right away. A liar would not admit to lying and might even go so far as to "swear" a life or two on their honor. Your credibility is zero, so your appeal to your honesty doesn't fly.

If you want believe,... happen.

The fact is, you didn't make a prediction, you only posted a word. You could've very well posted the word after you saw it on BBC or some other news source. You could've posted it after hearing about it from other mundane sources. It could also be just a coincidence, you posted a word hoping something would happen sometime in the future. The one word alone is something that many would just not even give a second thought about if nothing happened that was significant to "ladybrook". You placed yourself in an unfalsifiable position, if nothing happened.. you made no prediction and you're safe. If something happened, "look at me, I wrote ladybrook" and you're something special. But, your scandalous tactics and tricks won't work on skeptics, we're not gullible enough to fall for your nonsense.


Apart from anything else, as far as I can tell, the forum clock's only out by 20 mins anyway, so all your desperataion is moot.

It's about 40 minutes, actually.

dishonest people here who are keeping quiet about the fact that they viewed this post between my posting and Corbin's reply and could therefore disprove that I somehow had access to Jeff's 'secret' editing technique .

One could've read your post and not even noticed "ladybrook", since it was an insignificant word at the time. I didn't notice it when I first read your post. As you recall, I didn't know where you put that word until I went back to search for it. Again, this illustrates your win/win tactic of not making a prediction yet claiming one.


Most people know damn well that I did not / could not have accomplished such a bizarre convoluted scam within such a short space of time, and some people also know damn well that they saw the post before Corbin posted anyway.

We know that a person could perform such a feat, given the right tools.

The fact that you and a few others here are trying to spin this into some extraordinary denial speaks volumes about the personal need you have for RV not to exist.

Or it speaks volumes of how desperate you are to try and convince people that you'll use dishonest tactics, cheating or coincidence as your tools.



Think about that before you sleep, when there is no one else around you to lie to, but yourself.

I suggest you follow your own advice, I've been sleeping very well lately.



Editted as a test.

 

[Lucianarchy]

Fine - I was only trying to demonstrate why I thought it was a possibility. If you say you did not use a police scanner, fine with me.

Thank you. I did not.

Now, the bus was hijacked by gunmen at 4.30pm and the driver was forced to drive the bus to the police station, when the gunmen fled and the driver then raised the alarm. How on earth was I supposed to pick up that information and get it post edited and undetected to the jref forum before the 4.35pm post by Corbin?

 

[davidhorman]

Now, the bus was hijacked by gunmen at 4.30pm and the driver was forced to drive the bus to the police station, when the gunmen fled and the driver then raised the alarm.

Just because I like facts for their own sake, the gunmen ordered the driver to drive through the Ladybrook estate and on to the police station, but he didn't. He stopped the bus at the end of the same street were the gunmen got on and raised the alarm.

How on earth was I supposed to pick up that information and get it post edited and undetected to the jref forum before the 4.35pm post by Corbin?

Because Corbin's post wasn't made at 4.35pm. That's it's forum timestamp, and what's more it's in GMT, not BST.

16:35GMT
-40 minutes because the forum clock is wrong:
15:55GMT
Add an hour for BST:
16:55BST

David

PS Luci, a test of your lottery powers - yes or no?

 

[Lucianarchy]

Because Corbin's post wasn't made at 4.35pm. That's it's forum timestamp, and what's more it's in GMT, not BST.

16:35GMT
-40 minutes because the forum clock is wrong:
15:55GMT
Add an hour for BST:
16:55BST

David

David, it says on the bottom of this page " All times are GMT. The time now is 06:55 PM." It is indeed that time right now. There is no BST added and the time is correct. So, according to the forum times stamp and the slow clock, I posted at 2.53pm and Corbin at 3.55pm, well before the incident took place. Now what?

 

[Starrman]

Luci? Are you home?

I wrote:

And you again ignored my question about AlienX's challenge - what about it does not seem reasonable to you?

davidhorman wrote:

PS Luci, a test of your lottery powers - yes or no?

AlienX wrote:

Can you please tell me what item is on my monitor BEFORE I remove it.

Don't you want to see us all eat some crow? Come on, show us what you can do?

 

[Lucianarchy]

Yep, it's GMT Western Europe, it has the BST accounted for.

So Corbin's post was time stamped by the forum as 4.35pm GMTWE and the forum clock was - 40mins, then he actually posted at 3.55pm. This is clearly before the hijack even took place.

 

[davidhorman]

Yep, it's GMT Western Europe, it has the BST accounted for.

You don't know anything about time zones. GMT doesn't "account for" BST, your computer, or wherever you're getting the time from, does (during the Summer). The forum says GMT. Why do you assume that means "GMT Western Europe", which I assume is your way of saying GMT+1?

GMT is Greenwich Mean Time, also known as Zulu time. It doesn't move forward or backward during the year, we just move to BST and back again. The forum clock is 50 minutes fast.

Take a look:

http://greenwichmeantime.com/

Compare the time on this page (green writing, black box) with the clock on your computer - there's an hour difference.

BST (Britain's current "effective" time) is always one hour ahead of GMT.

The forum clock is 50 minutes fast.

Will you admit defeat on this point at least?

Edited to add more proof:

From the site above:

Remember: Clocks Spring Forward & Fall Back (Fall = Autumn) - details here but GMT remains the same all year around.

And here is an automatically generated image that displays the current GMT (an acronym which has apparently been superceded by the term UTC) time:

David

 

[CFLarsen]

This is going to be interesting.

If Lucianarchy admits defeat in this, then she also has to acknowledge the possibility of her cheating.

If she does not admit defeat, then we know that she cheated. Why else would she not admit defeat??

Either way, Lucianarchy loses.

 

[Lucianarchy]

You don't know anything about time zones. GMT doesn't "account for" BST, your computer, or wherever you're getting the time from, does (during the Summer). The forum says GMT. Why do you assume that means "GMT Western Europe", which I assume is your way of saying GMT+1?

David

Yes, David. That is the system which the JREF Forum operates under, GMT Western Europe. You can check for yourself quite easily, because if you are a registered member you will discover that if you look at your settings options under the user cp, the default setting is GMT Western Europe.

Now what?

 

[Lucianarchy]

I have - of course! - taken the forum time stamp discrepancy into consideration.

What kinda skeptic do you think I am?

A stupid, over zealous cynical one.

Now, the honourable thing for you to do now is apologise, it has been proven that the Forum runs under the default of GMT (WE) and given that it has been stated that the forum was running at -40mins, then I posted at 2.53pm and Corbin at 3.55pm, both well before the incident took place.