Lucianarchy and remote viewing

davidhorman · Jul 21, 2003

I am just trying to demonstrate that the effect is often subtle and elusive in nature.

Except when it comes to predicting lottery numbers, which you've claimed to do (at least 3 out of 6 balls) for several weeks running.

David

IELWITP

Lucianarchy · Jul 21, 2003

thaiboxerken said:
Which part of "you did not make a prediction" do you not comprehend? Only a dishonest ass would try to claim that he made a prediction when he did not.

How many times do you need telling? I get impressions, perceptions not predictions. In respect of rv, the word 'ladybrook' was all I had to offer at the time, it seemed urgent and important. It turned out that it was quite germane. You are the dishonest one here tbk. Given that I gave you evidence within five minutes of you asking for it, and evidence which was linked to a terrorist attack within a couple of hours of provision, this leaves your lame rejection of the facts for all to see, in a thread you initiated. Oh, the psirony.... :roll:

AlienX · Jul 21, 2003

Some people are just so desperate to think they are special when in reality they are simply just like the rest of us i'm afraid.
The worst of these charge money for unsubstanciated claims, claims which mysteriously vanish when scrutiny is placed upon such claims.. amazing.

I'm in the UK and i've placed an object on my monitor that was given to me by a friend (who you would class as very open minded and "thinks" there is something to all this - so there is your believer link).

It's in a well lit room in central England, or does this not work in England or a room or perhaps it rained today at 1230ish so it wont work. Tell me what said item is.

One chance.
No questions.
No replys except one where i tell you (truthfully) if you got it right.
No excuses.
Your reply should take no more than a single sentence and most certainly should not consist of anything but what the item is (e.g. skip the garbage waffle about the wind in the wrong direction etc)

I thought that remote viewing was tested by the CIA etc and found to be total garbage - thats why they shut it down and stopped the funding - how quickly you people forget the recent humiliating failures of these so called remote viewers. One would almost suspect they are just blindly guessing. What about that poor family being told by remote viewers their abducted child was dead when actually they were not - yet these are readily dismissed - whats the problem selective amnesia?

AlienX

davidhorman · Jul 21, 2003

How many times do you need telling? I get impressions, perceptions not predictions.

(at the risk of sounding like a broken record)

...except predictions of lottery numbers?

David

IELWITPT

Starrman · Jul 21, 2003

How many times do you need telling? I get impressions, perceptions not predictions. In respect of rv, the word 'ladybrook' was all I had to offer at the time, it seemed urgent and important. It turned out that it was quite germane.

After reading this, I had the impression of a gorilla in my mind. I'm not making a prediction, but I can clearly see a gorilla in my mind right now and it feels urgent.

Gorilla.

If a Gorilla escapes from a zoo tomorrow I am psychic. If a gorilla dies in a zoo tomorrow I am psychic. If Koko the sign language gorilla gives a reporter the finger tomorrow I'm psychic.

The problem I am trying to illustrate - is that any news that happened in or near Ladybrook after you typed the word would have been enough for you to claim it was something other than luck.

thaiboxerken · Jul 21, 2003

AlienX said:
I thought that remote viewing was tested by the CIA etc and found to be total garbage - thats why they shut it down and stopped the funding - how quickly you people forget the recent humiliating failures of these so called remote viewers.

You are absolutely correct.

thaiboxerken · Jul 21, 2003

Lucianarchy said:
How many times do you need telling? I get impressions, perceptions not predictions.

You wrote the word ladybrook. No sentence to accompany why you wrote it, no reason for anyone to think you were remote-viewing the word. And now you want to claim it as your remote-viewed prediction/impression/perception. That's BS. Next time you remotely view something, let us in on the "secret". The way you did this, if nothing happened, most of us would've forgotten that you wrote "ladybrook", like I did. The word by itself is insignificant if nothing happens. You've given yourself a "win, win" situation, if somethign happens you claim it, if nothing happens, no one cares because it's just a word.

Hexxenhammer · Jul 21, 2003

It's obvious that Luci does have superpowers. The incredible power to see the present.

thaiboxerken · Jul 21, 2003

Luci is silly.

Zoot.

Starrman · Jul 21, 2003

I'm in the UK and i've placed an object on my monitor that was given to me by a friend (who you would class as very open minded and "thinks" there is something to all this - so there is your believer link).

Can you PM the answer to someone? Not that I am expecting anyone to actually try this.

thaiboxerken · Jul 21, 2003

It's a feng shui turtle.

Chupacabras · Jul 21, 2003

Lucianarchy said:
... and your response is to put me down as a criminal suspect.

I said "If" and then "I would". Try to think of the simplest explanation, as the police does. Yet another very plausible solution could be that you got notice before the media went to publish the news, which is not too hard, you know.

Lucianarchy said:
Perhaps you now understand why many psychics do not want to co-operate with the prejudiced public.

Then, what is it worth?!??

Perhaps we could really use a few lottery numbers. What do you say?

BTW - I have noticed that you tend to offer half-answers and avoid the substantial issues. What about setting up a test here?

El piedrón. <------ FYI, I am trying RV here.

davidhorman · Jul 21, 2003

Yet another very plausible solution could be that you got notice before the media went to publish the news, which is not too hard, you know.

(Devil's advocate) Luci posted his "prediction" prior to the time of the incident as reported, as well as prior to the actual publication of those reports. (/Devil's advocate)

What about setting up a test here?

If you mean of his procalimed lottery prediction powers, yes, Luci can quite easily encrypt or otherwise encode (for example, by making an md5 checksum) a lottery prediction. This would allow us to verify his prediction after the draw, but wouldn't allow us to read the numbers first which would, according to Luci, affect the draw so as to (conveniently) stuff the prediction up.

David

LWITP

Psiload · Jul 21, 2003

Lucianarchy said:
How many times do you need telling? I get impressions, perceptions not predictions. In respect of rv, the word 'ladybrook' was all I had to offer at the time, it seemed urgent and important. It turned out that it was quite germane. You are the dishonest one here tbk. Given that I gave you evidence within five minutes of you asking for it, and evidence which was linked to a terrorist attack within a couple of hours of provision, this leaves your lame rejection of the facts for all to see, in a thread you initiated. Oh, the psirony....

Pray do give us your "impressions" on this one, Luci:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/07/14/national/main563207.shtml

Missing N.H. Kids Feared Dead

(CBS/AP) Police in New Hampshire who are looking for two missing children want to know more about an argument between one of the kids and their father on the Fourth of July.

The last time anyone saw 14-year-old Sarah Gehring and her 11-year-old brother, Philip, they were leaving a fireworks show at a city park in Concord. Two witnesses have told police that Sarah was in a loud argument with her father, Manuel Gehring.

Police believe he then left on a cross-country drive -- and that the children were with him, at first. But they believe the children were killed somewhere along the way, and their disappearance is now considered a suspected homicide. Authorities say no bodies have been found, and the organized search effort has been scaled back.

Where, oh where is PsiTech when you need them?! Maybe we should take up a collection to scrape together 250 bucks, and enroll Luci in the Psitech Solving Missing Persons and Murders class?

Starrman · Jul 21, 2003

Lucianarchy

I'm in the UK and i've placed an object on my monitor that was given to me by a friend (who you would class as very open minded and "thinks" there is something to all this - so there is your believer link).

Well, Lucianarchy - do you want to give this a go or not?

Lucianarchy · Jul 21, 2003

AlienX said:
I thought that remote viewing was tested by the CIA etc and found to be total garbage

Well you were wrong then.

Lucianarchy · Jul 21, 2003

Re: Lucianarchy

Starrman said:
Well, Lucianarchy - do you want to give this a go or not?

I can assure you, having read the replies so far, I wouldn't waste my time with the likes of you and your childish brand of cynicism. You were given a perfectly good example of the nature of the effect and you have been given good information as to what is known of the nature of its ocurrance. If you want to find out about RV, then go here:
http://www.irva.org/

SteveGrenard · Jul 21, 2003

Remote viewing was originally a classified program sponsored by the Defense Intelligence Agency. They turned it over to the CIA which in turn contracted with Stanford Research Institute (SRI), SAIC and AIR to test it. In about 1995 its existence was declassified. Although the skeptic community claimed the results of the testing invalidated RVing even Hyman would not go on the record as completely debunking it and he published several papers on his examination of the study as did Dr. Jessica Utts of the University of California Davis. They also issued a joint communiqie. The National Science Foundation in turn selected the negative aspects of the study and issued a statement debunking remote viewing. Shortly after it was declassified, at least one American President, Jimmy Carter, mentioned an RV project, that of rv'ers finding a crashed soviet aircraft in Zaire (Congo).
This was at Emory University.

Allegedly the inconclusive findings of the CIA contractors led the CIA to publicly state they disbanded the program and they may well have but rumours continue to surface that a nucleus of it, scaled back, remains but cannot be proven.

Lucianarchy · Jul 21, 2003

thaiboxerken said:
How or why is it that a forum search for "ladybrook", "Lady brook" or "ladybrooke" only comes up with this thread?

Because that's the only place it has been mentioned. :rub:

Starrman · Jul 21, 2003

I can assure you, having read the replies so far, I wouldn't waste my time with the likes of you and your childish brand of cynicism. You were given a perfectly good example of the nature of the effect and you have been given good information as to what is known of the nature of its ocurrance. If you want to find out about RV, then go here:

To be clear it was AlienX's challenge, not mine (I'm just anxious to see you try). So don't decline the test because of your perception of me.

Very surprising response, though.

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