'Lost Civilisations'

[John Jones]

Out of curiosity, had anyone here claimed that diorite could be carved using nothing but bronze or copper chisels?

I keep hearing KotA denying that purported claim, but I don't recall anyone actually making it.

 

[King of the Americas]

Out of curiosity, had anyone here claimed that diorite could be carved using nothing but bronze or copper chisels?

I keep hearing KotA denying that purported claim, but I don't recall anyone actually making it.

Bronze and copper tools are the ONLY ones that have been found in the Americas...

 

[MG1962]

Out of curiosity, had anyone here claimed that diorite could be carved using nothing but bronze or copper chisels?

I keep hearing KotA denying that purported claim, but I don't recall anyone actually making it.

The Egyptians used copper saws with sand and water to cut and etch granite

 

[GeeMack]

Bronze and copper tools are the ONLY ones that have been found in the Americas...

That is demonstrably false and is testament to your lack of knowledge and understanding of the subject. Stone tools, which have been found throughout the Americas, existed for hundreds of thousands, possibly even millions of years before bronze or copper tools were invented. Stone tools can easily be used to work stone and have been used for that purpose for millennia. And with proper application of conceptually simple skills, stone tools can be effectively used to work stone harder than the tools themselves.

So you are just plain wrong. Again. Nobody is accepting your argument. It doesn't work. It has failed on every level.

 

[John Jones]

Bronze and copper tools are the ONLY ones that have been found in the Americas...

That's not what I asked.

 

[John Jones]

The Egyptians used copper saws with sand and water to cut and etch granite

That's what I was getting at. Bronze age civilations had other means available to them besides copper and bronze tools.

KotA, I hope you were paying attention.

 

[Wildy]

If YOU would like to do so, provide the evidence that proves my statements in error.

Will you be providing evidence regarding the kinds of technology that has been lost?

 

[Aepervius]

Will you be providing evidence regarding the kinds of technology that has been lost?

Nope, KOTA will just go to another round of "but diorite cannot be cut by bronze/copper tool ! eleventy !" never mind that other tooling emthod were mentionned more than once, NOT involving bronze/copper tool.

If the otehr threads on alien or ascended are any indication, he wll not move an inch from his stance, never providing evidence for his "lost tech".

In other word he is doing the same fallacy as the creationist: he is pretending that since the other guy cannot demonstrate immediately to his very eye their hypotheses to HIS satisfaction (nevermind that the EXPERT in the field are satisfied), then they are wrong, which prove his own hypotheses right in his eye. And that is where the error is : even if he did show that the other proposed hypotheses were incomplete that does not make his own lost advanced tech hypotheses right or even more probable ! Same argument as BS creatonist saying "evolution has this and that problem , therefore Creatonism/God !". It is a BS of gigantic proportion.

KOTA, Any problem with the tooling (tools mentionned by other poster) you have DO NOT PROVIDE evidence for your "advanced tech" hypotheses, EVEN if those problem were not only in your mind/ignorance.

 

[gambling_cruiser]

Kotas argument is basically this:
I got seasick on a small boat, therefore Columbus couldn't sail to the Carribean!

 

[King of the Americas]

Its been proven false, there is no diorite at Pumapunku


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I have some pictures up on a geology site, hoping they can identify the kind of stone, that has the line with the through holes.

It looks like it should be diorite, but I am looking for confirmation.

 

[King of the Americas]

The Egyptians used copper saws with sand and water to cut and etch granite

So, how do you cut a descending square with one?

 

[King of the Americas]

Will you be providing evidence regarding the kinds of technology that has been lost?

That evidence has already been provided, in these 'lego stones'.

 

[GeeMack]

That evidence has already been provided, in these 'lego stones'.

That is not true. You have provided arguments from incredulity and ignorance. Those are not evidence.

 

[carlitos]

I have some pictures up on a geology site, hoping they can identify the kind of stone, that has the line with the through holes.

It looks like it should be diorite, but I am looking for confirmation.

One of the better known archeologists, maybe it was Richard Leakey or John Camp, when asked the best way to identify a type of stone at a dig, responded "post photos on the internet and ask people on a forum." Great initiative. Whatever you do, don't read the literature on Puma Punku. That stuff was written by shills who don't believe in UFOliens.

 

[Dinwar]

Bronze and copper tools are the ONLY ones that have been found in the Americas...

This is a lie. Stone tools are ubiquitous in the Americas. The only METAL tools were bronze and copper, perhaps, but those are NOT the only tools. I've explained this to you before.

That evidence has already been provided, in these 'lego stones'.

EVEN IF YOU ARE RIGHR, while this may be evidence, in that it can be used to support your argument, it is not sufficient evdience. There are other explinations: For example, there may be four (or more) explanations, and the reason we don't know which is used is because there are too many options. YOU NEED MORE.

So, how do you cut a descending square with one?

Use one smaller than the square you want. Cut channels into the rock. Use stone tools to chip out the stone inside the square. Took me all of ten seconds to fiugre it out. I can only imagine expert stone carvers, after hundreds of years of refinement, could come up with better ways.

 

[Wildy]

That evidence has already been provided, in these 'lego stones'.

And how does this lead to the conclusion that they were constructed using a lost technology?

Also, will you consider answering any of my questions on post 316?

 

[Dinwar]

Also, will you consider answering any of my questions..

Two guesses on what the answer is, and the first one doesn't count.

 

[King of the Americas]

How long ago? before Homo Sapiens Sapiens evolved? After Homo Sapiens Sapiens evolved? and ascended in what sense? ascended how (practically)? was technology involved? if so, of what kind, and where from? if not, what?

What makes you think any of this was possible or happened?

I don't know...

Ascended, as in "took to the heavens", and I am sure technology was involved.

The thing that makes me think this happened, is that 'something' exists in our heavens now that isn't us. I think it is more likely that 'they' came from here, rather than some distant star.

 

[John Jones]

I don't know...

Ascended, as in "took to the heavens", and I am sure technology was involved.

The thing that makes me this this happen, is that 'something' exists in our heavens now that isn't us.

Non-circular arguments and non-trivial evidence would be appropriate right about now.

I think it is more likely that 'they' came from here, rather than some distant star.

Why?

 

[MG1962]

So, how do you cut a descending square with one?

You use progressively smaller saws. Or reverse the process and begin in the middle and expand the cut like an open cut mine