Lord Language Resurrection.

[slingblade]

Likewise, the term 'resurrection'

Yep.

How does one resurrect a language that isn't dead, anyway?

 

[six7s]

I have one question to every participant of this thread.

Do you agree to work two weeks, 6 working days a week, 10 working hours a day with one day off a week and two others weeks to be free from job in the condition that your year income will remain the same as today?

I'd be willing to try it

However, I have a hunch that

1. many of my clients would be less than enthusiastic
2. most of my colleagues would be seriously pissed off

Or, in other words, your cunning plan needs work. Please, try harder

 

[six7s]

How does one resurrect a language that isn't dead, anyway?

Agitatingly tediously?

suite101.com/article.cfm/world_languages/13399

By the late 19th century, having suffered bigotry and repression for generations, Jews began to agitate for the return of their ancestral homeland. Some suggested reviving Hebrew. Most scoffed at the idea. Hebrew had been frozen since 70 CE. People would grow impatient stammering through a dead language, critics argued, and fall back on a living auxiliary such as Yiddish.

Among the many linguists who worked to revive the language of Abraham, Eliezer Ben-Yehuda is generally regarded as the father of modern Hebrew. He undertook the tedious task of updating the language, creating hundreds of new words from existing roots.

 

[Agatha]

Do you agree to work two weeks, 6 working days a week, 10 working hours a day with one day off a week and two others weeks to be free from job in the condition that your year income will remain the same as today?
So you will have additionally to your usual year income 13 two weeks creative vacations a year.

No. Assuming I was well enough to work full time, I would rather work 37.5 hours a week over five days a week, with eight statutory (paid) holiday days plus a minimum of five weeks paid holiday a year. That's what we already have in the UK.

A sixty hour, six days working week would be disastrous for family life.

 

[Nonpareil]

Four resurrections’ phenomena: 1 Christ Resurrection 2009 years ago.

0 A.D. is the year of Jesus' birth, not his resurrection.

2 Resurrection of Holy Language in future Israel People 100 years ago.
3 Resurrection of Israel in 1948.
4 Resurrection of legitimization of all free from job days according Torah – 7th day of a week, 7th moon month, 7th year, 50th year, 1st and 10th days of every moon month.

Wow fail.

None of these are actually resurrections.

The implementation of all those demands of GOD gives equal balance of free and job days to every God believer.

Yeah, but do they want "equal balance of free and job days"?

“NEW SATURDAY” is my social great invention

It's horrible.

– symmetrical life style,that gives real possibility to every world person to implement God Main Demand – to be free.

That isn't your god's main demand.

I have one question to every participant of this thread.

Do you agree to work two weeks, 6 working days a week, 10 working hours a day with one day off a week and two others weeks to be free from job in the condition that your year income will remain the same as today?
So you will have additionally to your usual year income 13 two weeks creative vacations a year.

No.

 

[dafydd]

Do you agree to work two weeks, 6 working days a week, 10 working hours a day with one day off a week and two others weeks to be free from job in the condition that your year income will remain the same as today?
So you will have additionally to your usual year income 13 two weeks creative vacations a year.

No.

 

[Nationalcosmopolitan]

«I'd be willing to try it

However, I have a hunch that
many of my clients would be less than enthusiastic
most of my colleagues would be seriously pissed off

Or, in other words, your cunning plan needs work. Please, try harder»

Thanks.
You give me a little hope for future possibility of successful realization symmetrical lifestyle idea.

“Agitatingly tediously?

suite101.com/article.cfm/world_languages/13399”

Even the last chapters of Tanah – “Ester”, “Ezra” and “Nehemiah” are written on Arameic.
There is written that Jews listened Torah reading by Ezra with translation from Holy Language to Arameic.

It proves that Holy Language was died 2500 years in the same sence as dead now Latin or Arameic.



Slingblade!

What about my question.

“No. Assuming I was well enough to work full time, I would rather work 37.5 hours a week over five days a week, with eight statutory (paid) holiday days plus a minimum of five weeks paid holiday a year. That's what we already have in the UK.

A sixty hour, six days working week would be disastrous for family life.”

Why don’t you value of 13 two weeks creative vacations a year to you, to your children and your husband with remaining your family’s today’s income?



I ask everybody who said – “yes” and everybody who said “no” to explain why.

I think that persons whose answer “no” are simply according Erich Fromm “running from freedom” people.

I would like to make sociological interrogation at this Forum about my question with two possible answers – “Yes” or “No” because it is very important question about a percent of “running from freedom” people we have.

SHANA TOVA VE MUTUKA – HAPPY NEW 5770 YEAR!

 

[slingblade]

Slingblade!

What about my question.

What about my job?

 

[Agatha]

I will expand on my "no".

Firstly, your scenario requires a working week of 60 hours. That's not permitted in most cases in the UK anyway, because of the European Working Time Directive, and as I said, I couldn't physically work those hours. How do I spend any time with my children if I'm working those kinds of hours (and sleeping for the rest of the time)? How do I help them with their homework, take them to and from school, take them to their extra-curricular activities, play and laugh and sing with them?

Alternatively, lets assume that I just work my normal 30 hour week, but only for two weeks out of every four. My employer has to double my hourly rate for me to be able to pay my mortgage and all the bills. How can they afford to double their costs?

Secondly, what happens to my job in the two weeks I'm off doing creative stuff? Who is looking after the clients? If my employer has to employ someone else, that's just re-doubled the organisation's costs. As a charity which has no sales but relies on grant funding, they can't increase their income to compensate. If nobody does my job while I'm on vacation, our clients will suffer. Our clients are people who need help - what happens to them?

 

[Giggywig]

I ask everybody who said – “yes” and everybody who said “no” to explain why.

Why would I say no? Because I would get fired. I work in a team that supports new projects and initiatives. These projects all take months or years. If I am on vacation 2 out of every 4 weeks the projects would ask for a different resource and I'd be shown the door. If I work 6 months and then take 6 months off, it's even worse. Your idea does not work in the real world, where companies work year round and don't have unlimited budgets.

 

[Toke]

Nationalcosmopolitan,

Don't be sad, I love the idea of half the year off, and that is why I work on a ship.
It does not work ashore, but that is their loss.

 

[Sun Countess]

I said "No" to your symmetry and would expand much the same as Agatha did, when it comes to not ever wanting to work 60 hours per week, and would expand much the same as Giggywig did when it comes to the impact on my business clients and coworkers.

I don't want to teeter back and forth between having absolutely no family life whatsoever and then having unlimited time. And unlimited time to do what? I only get a few weeks holidays a year, and if we're doing something special, I really look forward to them and treasure the time we spend together. If we don't have any special plans, and it's just "me" time to do whatever I want, I get bored out of my skull after a few days. Honestly, not everybody out there wants to pursue creative freedoms, and it has nothing to do with running from freedom.

NationalCosmopolitan, how do you propose that people care for their homes and families when they're working sixty hours per week? Who does the cooking, cleaning, shopping, chauffering, chaperoning, etc. while the parent(s) is working ten hours each day and commuting a couple more? And if your plan ties in to some religious ideal, where our day off is a sabbath day, would we even be "allowed" to do our grocery shopping and other errands?

 

[six7s]

I ask everybody who said – “yes” and everybody who said “no” to explain why.

My 'yes' was in keeping with the ideas you promote, which are a joke

 

[Jackalgirl]

I'm going to say "no", I don't want to do the 60-hour week, two week scenario.

The scenario is not feable for two-income families, or single-parent families, or even for nuclear families with one out-of-home worker. For the first two types, it isn't possible. For the third type, I think it would cause a lot of strain on the family to have one person effectively gone, or operating under strong time constraints, for two weeks. It's far better to spread the effort of childrearing and family-building to a consistent amount every day than to try to do it in bursts like you're suggesting (analogy: it's better to apply strain to a line [rope] steadily rather than to simply apply all of the strain all at once).

In order for this to work, you would have to reorder society so that extended family groups were the norm (or, at least, having grandparents in the home, provided that the grandparents are not infirm), or you would need robust community groups able to spread out child care among more people. You would also need to do away with the mobility that is normal in societies like the U.S. (which is one of the reasons why nuclear families are nomially the norm in the US -- I say "nominally" because single-parent households are becoming more commonplace). This is an enormous cultural change you're talking about, and you'd have to mandate it, because it's not in the nature of people to change their lifestyles (especially if they're not aware of their own cultural basis and biases to begin with). Good luck with that.

I highly recommend that you take a class in Cultural Anthropology (I'm sure I've suggested it before). What works for one society or community group will not work for another because of cultural differences.

Then there's the business aspect. In order for businesses to continue to operate at normal levels with a model such as what you propose, they'll have to hire more staff. If everyone has to do it because the model is mandated, then they will, but the net result will be that those costs will be passed to the consumer. Also, management and direction will suffer, because those are processes that benefit by consistency. If the management and direction is being handled by a large pool of people who are constantly coming in and out of work (and who are absent for two-week periods), the overall situational awareness of the company's management and directors is going to drop. Those companies, in countries not bound by your model, are going to prosper, simply because they'll be able to offer their products with a higher consistent quality for lower prices.

 

[Nationalcosmopolitan]

“What about my job?”

What lifestyle do you prefer - symmetrical or ordinary one with the same job and the same income?

“Firstly, your scenario requires a working week of 60 hours. That's not permitted in most cases in the UK anyway, because of the European Working Time Directive,”

France is a member of EU and people their work first three days of a week 10hours and on Thursday – 5 hours and than 3.5 days they are free from job.

“and as I said, I couldn't physically work those hours”

What do you think about to work 6 days a week, 8 hours a day with one day off for 2 weeks and 2 weeks be free with 80% of your income plus your benefits you have as a disable person?

“How do I spend any time with my children if I'm working those kinds of hours (and sleeping for the rest of the time)? How do I help them with their homework, take them to and from school, take them to their extra-curricular activities, play and laugh and sing with them?”

Now you can do it the same way you do now and 26 weeks a year you can give them very many from your life experience, after all you will have time to check up their education process at school and give them maximal good education.
For example I am a high level mechanical designer.
I know mathematics and physics much better then most of school teachers.
So I can give all my knowledge to my children in those subjects for a few years.
After all I can give them Russian natively.
I can also learn them to repair everything that is from metal.

“Alternatively, lets assume that I just work my normal 30 hour week, but only for two weeks out of every four. My employer has to double my hourly rate for me to be able to pay my mortgage and all the bills. How can they afford to double their costs?”

To your employer will be compensate some hours of work the same way as it was done in France 15 years ago when they began to use very successfully 35 hours working week mondatory.

“Secondly, what happens to my job in the two weeks I'm off doing creative stuff? Who is looking after the clients? If my employer has to employ someone else, that's just re-doubled the organisation's costs. As a charity which has no sales but relies on grant funding, they can't increase their income to compensate. If nobody does my job while I'm on vacation, our clients will suffer. Our clients are people who need help - what happens to them?”

To tell you the truth it is a very bad business when employees feel that they are unchangeable.
You have to give your big experience to somebody else who agree with symmetrical lifestyle idea (much greater than even idea of 7thtday off. or two days off in a week we have now all over the world)

So two weeks you will do your job and two weeks the person with similar circumstances will do this job.

“Why would I say no? Because I would get fired. I work in a team that supports new projects and initiatives. These projects all take months or years. If I am on vacation 2 out of every 4 weeks the projects would ask for a different resource and I'd be shown the door. If I work 6 months and then take 6 months off, it's even worse. Your idea does not work in the real world, where companies work year round and don't have unlimited budgets.”

I was a top manager of project in 70th and early 80th .
I with my group of engineers worked 12 hours a day almost with out days off.
This working style gave great opportunities to finish the project for 3 months in the case of ordinary lifestyle for one month.
Than all my group got a month vocation on the third month we made project that was planning for another three months.
Great quality of projects that are ready earlier for some months they really need, 7 months creative vocation a year and all this in totalitarian USSSR!
To be free person in a country of slaves – it is a great feeling.

“Nationalcosmopolitan,

Don't be sad, I love the idea of half the year off, and that is why I work on a ship.
It does not work ashore, but that is their loss. “

You are a Scandinavia person that value very much your freedom.
You agree to pay half a year of your life to be a real king of your life another half a year.

If idea of symmetrical lifestyle works wonderful in extreme conditions – ship, oil and gas stations in the see or far from civilization, military services in so called hot points why it can’t work much more effectively in every other points of human life!
I am absolutely sure that in nearest future symmetrical lifestyle will dominate everyweare.

“NationalCosmopolitan, how do you propose that people care for their homes and families when they're working sixty hours per week? Who does the cooking, cleaning, shopping, chauffering, chaperoning, etc. while the parent(s) is working ten hours each day and commuting a couple more? And if your plan ties in to some religious ideal, where our day off is a sabbath day, would we even be "allowed" to do our grocery shopping and other errands? “

When France 15 years ago began to use mandatory 35 hours week some businesses remained on ordinary five working days week with 5 seven hours working days but more and more businesses began to work 3 days, 10 houres working week and 1 day 5 hours working week with 3.5 days of weekend.
Now it is time to make the next step – to give mandatory in every high developed country 30 hours’ working weeks.
It will give real ability to all ordinary people who really value of their creative and spirit freedom to use symmetrical lifestyle with 60 hours working week and one day off in a week and 26 weeks of creative vacations in a year.
If the person can’t work 10 hours a day in symmetrical lifestyle he can work 8 hours in symmetrical lifestyle. But his income will be 20% less.
If he does not value 26 weeks vacation freedom he can live in his ordinary life style with 30 hours working week.

“My 'yes' was in keeping with the ideas you promote, which are a joke”

The same real “joke” was in France 15 years ago and one first variant of symmetrical lifestyle – 3.5 job dayays/3.5 weekend days was born.
It is time to make one more little step to global freedom – 30 hours working week mandatory that will give full specter of symmetrical lifestyles dominations.
Only “running from freedom” people will refuse from new symmetrical life style.
In vocation period people spend more money so global economy will make a great jump of rising.

“analogy: it's better to apply strain to a line [rope] steadily rather than to simply apply all of the strain all at once”

Only in vocation period of time the person can live exactly according your recommendations.
Symmetrical lifestyle gives him half a year to build his life exactly as he wants.

“it's not in the nature of people to change their lifestyles”

All what is needed to be changed mandatory is the hours of working week to 30 hours a week.
In this case many variants of symmetrical lifestyles will dominate in all high developed countries automatically as in France the first one – 3.5 job days – 3.5 free days a week 15 years ago when 35 job hours week was introduced mandatory.

I highly recommend that you take a class in Cultural Anthropology (I'm sure I've suggested it before). What works for one society or community group will not work for another because of cultural differences.

Market Culture of all high developed countries is very similar and everywhere use week as common “social quant” of time.

“Then there's the business aspect. In order for businesses to continue to operate at normal levels with a model such as what you propose, they'll have to hire more staff.”

I made some calculations and they say that averagely staff has been increase on 19% to carry symmetrical lifestyle.
In UK there is mandatory 39.5 hours’ working week with 5-6 weeks vocations a year.
[39.5*(52-5)]/52=35.7 working hours a weak averagely.
35.7/30=1.19

It means that 19% of job time averagely have to be compensate in 30 job hours weeks’ society.
It can be compensate by increasing of staff and by increasing of quality and effectiveness of job.
In every case it is not a big deal and a big problem.

You have not forget that 26 weeks of creative vocation gives to every worker or employee a great opportunities to high up strongly the professional skills and get more professions to become more interchangeable than today.

 

[six7s]

France is a member of EU and people their work first three days of a week 10hours and on Thursday – 5 hours and than 3.5 days they are free from job.

Really? The last time I was in France, it was quite civilised... I wonder when/why that changed?

 

[dafydd]

 

[Agatha]

France is a member of EU and people their work first three days of a week 10hours and on Thursday – 5 hours and than 3.5 days they are free from job.

Except that they don't - standard working hours in France are worked over five days a week.

What do you think about to work 6 days a week, 8 hours a day with one day off for 2 weeks and 2 weeks be free with 80% of your income plus your benefits you have as a disable person?

I think it sounds awful. I would have more childcare costs in my working weeks, I wouldn't be able to pick the kids up from school, my one day off a week would be manic trying to get all the shopping, cooking and cleaning done in one day, and I'd have less money. I would rather work 6 hours a day over five days a week, with five weeks holiday and eight additional days, for 100% of my income.

To your employer will be compensate some hours of work the same way as it was done in France 15 years ago when they began to use very successfully 35 hours working week mondatory.

So you are intending to increase public spending, in order to compensate businesses for their increased (doubled!) salary costs. How will this be funded? Higher taxation?

To tell you the truth it is a very bad business when employees feel that they are unchangeable.
You have to give your big experience to somebody else who agree with symmetrical lifestyle idea (much greater than even idea of 7thtday off. or two days off in a week we have now all over the world)

I have no problem with sharing my job. I have a real problem with increasing business costs by doubling the number of employees each employer will require.

So two weeks you will do your job and two weeks the person with similar circumstances will do this job.

And the employer pays thheir increased salary bills with.... what?

I am absolutely sure that in nearest future symmetrical lifestyle will dominate everyweare.

I am absolutely sure that it won't.

When France 15 years ago began to use mandatory 35 hours week some businesses remained on ordinary five working days week with 5 seven hours working days but more and more businesses began to work 3 days, 10 houres working week and 1 day 5 hours working week with 3.5 days of weekend.

Do you have evidence for this? I've just been looking through various French recruitment websites, and the more usual working pattern is 10.00 to 16.00 (five days a week) core hours and some measure of flexibility outside those times.

Anyway, your idea is unworkable and will lead to higher costs for businesses.

Dafydd's kittens are better.

 

[dafydd]

France is a member of EU and people their work first three days of a week 10hours and on Thursday – 5 hours and than 3.5 days they are free from job.

This is not true,you are pulling this stuff out of your fundemental.Bring on the kittens.

 

[Nationalcosmopolitan]

Agatha, may be you know how many weeks is a vocation period in France.