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Craig B said:
You are saying that at first people communicated by means of "gestures" like yawning and scratching (even apes are more advanced that this!). Then the humans drew pictures of themselves yawning and scratching, and that (you tell us) is the origin of hieroglyphs. In all this time there was no communication by speech!!

Speech commenced only when people started to pronounce the hieroglyphs.

That is a very strange sequence of events.

At first, Stalin embraced a crazy theory of the origin of languages proposed by a half-Scottish, half-Georgian linguist named Nikolos Marr. This person has been described thus

Nicholas Marr is one of the 'lunatics' in Marina Yaguello's book Lunatic Lovers of Language. Other epithets levelled at him by fellow linguists include "madman" and "megalomaniac". Yet his theories were lauded in the Soviet Union between about 1930 and 1950.​

After 1950, Stalin abandoned Marr's doctrines. Fortunately for Marr, he had already died, in 1934, so Stalin was unable to repress him physically.

I think your gestures > "hieroglyphs" > speech hypothesis has something in common with Marr's ideas, or at least with the lunacy embodied in them.

He believed that the sounds of the languages arose via collective human activity and it was the socio-economic nature of the society that determined the language. Over the years he worked to discover the minimum number of semantic elements that formed the basis of all the world's languages and he finally got this number down to four. So, what he was saying was that all the words in all the languages of the world could ultimately be traced back to four 'words' or elements, namely sal, ber, yon and rosh.​

Are these the sounds people made when, as you inform us, they:

then learned to pronounce the characters?​
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This proves that Marr was right! According to you, speech started when people began to pronounce hieroglyphs representing pictures of themselves yawning. Now look again at Marr's four primordial words. They include yon From which evidently the English word "yawn" must be derived! That also proves that English, and not Hebrew, is the first language, and all other languages are a "confusion of tongues". :D
 
Nationalcosmopolitan said:
What you say is simply not logical.
Jews of Judea of 1st – 4th centaury spoke in Aramaic.
Most of Christians in this period were Jews of course.
So the first Gospels were written in Aramaic of course.
Only in 4th centaury after the Imperator Konstantin made Christianity the State Religion of Rom Empire we can expect New Testimony written in Greek and Latin.
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Christians by definition are not "jooooos"
Constantine was a Mithraist and adopted Christianity out of political expediency.
Rome was not his political nor religious centre of power.
The Koine Greek versions pre-date Constantine by hundreds of years.

Or in plain lingua franca, BOLLOCKS.
 
Nationalcosmopolitan said:
What you say is simply not logical.
Jews of Judea of 1st – 4th centaury spoke in Aramaic.
Most of Christians in this period were Jews of course.
So the first Gospels were written in Aramaic of course.
Only in 4th centaury after the Imperator Konstantin made Christianity the State Religion of Rom Empire we can expect New Testimony written in Greek and Latin.
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Utter nonsense. The first gospels were composed in Greek. The majority of early Christians were Greek speaking people, and not Aramaic speaking Jews, because the majority of Jews rejected the Messianic status, as well, of course, as the divinity, of Jesus. They never became Christians.

The Christian texts were written in Greek long before the advent of the Emperor Constantine. In fact there exist some Greek papyrus documents containing Christian canonical writings inscribed before Constantine.
 
Nationalcosmopolitan said:
Talmudists know the language of Jesus because Talmud is writen in Arameic.
They saved the language of Jesus for all cultural Christians.
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What the hell are you talking about? You're just making this up. You don't even know some very basic things. Educate yourself and then come back and have a discussion. You just don't know enough to discuss these topics.
 
Craig B said:
Then they are ignorant or insane, to believe nonsensical things merely because they're in the Bible. You say yourself that you don't follow the instructions of Moses to kill non-Israelites. The god YHWH supposedly gave Moses these monstrous commands. Do you believe God instructed Moses to do the things described in Numbers 31:17,18? If you don't, why then do you believe in the nonsense about a snake talking Hebrew. One source of knowledge of Aramaic is the Bible. These passages are in Aramaic.
Ezra 4:8–6:18 and 7:12–26, Daniel 2:4-7:28
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You read Bible.
I read Bible.
You have your own interpretation of the Book of Books.
I have my own interpretation of the Book of Books.
Each other from billions of people has his own interpretation of the Book of Books.
Book of Books is the only book that gives ability to so many people to have a very interesting and creative discussion for 2000 years.
Only Koran and Tripitaka can compare with the Book of Book in this great ability.


Another source of knowledge of Aramaic is the Talmud.
Of the two main components of the Babylonian Talmud, the Mishnah is written in Mishnaic Hebrew. Within the Gemara, the quotations from the Mishnah and the Baraitas and verses of Tanakh quoted and embedded in the Gemara are in Hebrew. The rest of the Gemara, including the discussions of the Amoraim and the overall framework, is in a characteristic dialect of Jewish Babylonian Aramaic. There are occasional quotations from older works in other dialects of Aramaic, such as Megillat Taanit. Overall, Hebrew constitutes somewhat less than half of the text of the Talmud.​

The endangered dialect of Aramaic you refer to is probably this.
Very little remains of Western Aramaic. It is still spoken in the villages of Ma'loula, Bakh`a and Jubb`adin on Syria's side of the Anti-Lebanon mountains, as well as by some people who migrated from these villages, to Damascus and other larger towns of Syria. All these speakers of Modern Western Aramaic are fluent in Arabic, which has now become the main language in these villages.​

However, other dialects are still in existence.

Over 400,000 people of various communities from across the Middle East, and recent emigrants who have moved out of these communities, speak one of several varieties of Modern Aramaic (also called Neo-Aramaic) natively, including Christians, Jews, Mandaeans and Muslims. Having lived in remote areas as insulated communities, the remaining modern speakers of Aramaic dialects escaped the linguistic pressures experienced by others during the large-scale language shifts that saw the proliferation of other tongues among those who previously did not speak them​

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aramaic_language
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There are about 1.5 billions of Christians in the world.
Why they don’t want to teach there children the language of their God – Jesus from Talmudists that have saved this language much better than others Aramaic speaking people I can’t understand.
In New Saturday Era all Christians will know the language of Jesus.
 
Craig B said:
Which countries are these, where these admirable principles prevail? Why are they included in "Europe"?
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USA, Canada, Mexico, Brazil, Argentina, all European countries except Belarus, Kazakhstan, Australia, New Zealand, Israel, Japan, Singapore, South Korea,
they included in "Europe", because they have the European models of constitutions and law systems and the main European human values.
 
fagin said:
To be fair to cosmo, Cornwall sticks out further left than Wales, but at least Ireland, Iceland, Spain and Portugal are safe from his tyranny.
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Don’t worry about “geographically correct Europe”.
“Political and Economical Europe” that includes this list of countrie: USA, Canada, Mexico, Brazil, Argentina, all European countries except Belarus, Kazakhstan, Australia, New Zealand, Israel, Japan, Singapore, South Korea will be soon I believe much more important.
 
Nationalcosmopolitan said:
You read Bible.
I read Bible.
You have your own interpretation of the Book of Books.
I have my own interpretation of the Book of Books.
Each other from billions of people has his own interpretation of the Book of Books.
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Is this the word of God, that each person has his or her own interpretation? Then each person is God.

But that is not the point I was making. I wrote that these passages are in Aramaic and not Hebrew: Ezra 4:8–6:18 and 7:12–26, Daniel 2:4-7:28.

That is not a question of each person having a different interpretation. It is objective. Are these passages in Aramaic or Hebrew? They are in Aramaic, and the interpretation of the Tanakh by "billions of people" is therefore not relevant to our discussion.
 
fagin said:
No, I don't.

But that post of mine was ten days ago. You really should try to move with the times.

Your thread is descending from chaos into mayhem.
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Don’t worry.
Social chaos in wich the man of New Saturday will swim as fish in water will be the main environment of Great Future of New Saturday Globalization.
 
Nationalcosmopolitan said:
Don’t worry about “geographically correct Europe”.
“Political and Economical Europe” that includes this list of countrie: USA, Canada, Mexico, Brazil, Argentina, all European countries except Belarus, Kazakhstan, Australia, New Zealand, Israel, Japan, Singapore, South Korea will be soon I believe much more important.
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You do realise that Australia, New Zealand, Israel, Japan, Singapore, and South Korea are not in Europe?
 
Craig B said:
You extol these But how will these principles be applied in your dystopia New Saturday Great Union?
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1 The real Freedom to do what you want to do as minimum 26 weeks in a year and as maximum 52 weeks in a year if you have a favorite job.
2 The real Equality of rights and chances to get education, professions, work place and the power place for every citizen.
3The real brotherhood is domination of creative and fruitful compliment communication between most of the citizens.
In the case of competition – competition of friends and not competition of enemies.


The freedom is to be enjoyed only by candidates who pass a professional test (administered by whom?) and then have the good fortune to win a lottery! I don't think that's what the French revolutionaries had in mind when adopting their famous slogan.
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This is the real freedom.
Today tests are used to find one best candidate.
But it is really impossible in the most cases.
Really today most citizens have there working places because total corruption.
In my system test can really find candidates that can’t work on definite place.
And all other candidates will have REALLY EQUAL CHANCE to get the job place according equal rights lotto.
Most tests are computer programs that have made by professional tests desighners.
 
Nationalcosmopolitan said:
Don’t worry about “geographically correct Europe”.
“Political and Economical Europe” that includes this list of countrie: USA, Canada, Mexico, Brazil, Argentina, all European countries except Belarus, Kazakhstan, Australia, New Zealand, Israel, Japan, Singapore, South Korea will be soon I believe much more important.
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Us Europeans welcome our new members, except maybe for those boring Canadians.

And cosmo, when it comes to you, the correct phrase might be "Don't worry about correct."
 
Stuart said:
I sincerely hope that no credence is given to Putin in the light of his behaviour over the past couple of years and his methods of "integration"
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EU does not want to accept other countries in the Union.
EU does not want to give to the other countries the ability to establish their own unions that in future will be in competition with EU.
Today if the country wants exist and have a good quality of life for it’s population it have to be the member of Union that similar the EU.
To discriminate the country from being the equal member of countries union is the same as discriminate people according their nations.
USA wants to be in Europe throw trance Atlantic agreement and in South East Asia throw trance Pacific agreement.
It is nothing else than “integration of integration”.
Russia – the Resurrecting Soviet Union wants the same.
 
Craig B said:
I suppose the annexation of Crimea is an example of "Integration of integrations". Ivan the Terrible called that sort of activity "the ingathering of the Russian lands".
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If Russia and Ukraine would be the equal members of the European Union as Romania, Greece and Bulgaria, which are lower than in Ukraine and Russia on development, then there would not be the Crimean problem.
 
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