Loose Change

[kookbreaker]

People in manhattan were experiencing full blown amnesia at the time of the attacks and the collapsing of the towers, they wouldn't remember what they had seen or heard.

Way to insult the inhabitants of Manhattan, jerk.

How did all the other cameras manage to experience amnesia as well?

Firefighters and emergency personals, on other hand, usually stay cool under enormous panicky situations thus many of them have claimed to hear what may have been sounds of explosives going off.

Or may have more likely been any number of common objects in an office building exploding from the heat.

 

[gruk]

One of the arguments against the CD theory has been that the demo charges might have gone off during the impacts, thus making the 'plan' a very dumb one. Is that argument now invalid, or are we assuming that the fire will set off the blasting caps instead?

Blasting caps are, generally speaking, not as powerful or nearly as stable as the "work" charge. They're usually heat sensitive, pressure sensitive or sensitive to voltage gradients (at least one, sometimes all). The blasting caps I trained with are definitely sensitive enough to go BOOM when exposed to a black-powder flame of very short duration.

Can't say I tried cooking them in a camp-stove flame, but mostly because I value my extremities enough to not dare.

 

[Abbyas]

People in manhattan were experiencing full blown amnesia at the time of the attacks and the collapsing of the towers, they wouldn't remember what they had seen or heard. Firefighters and emergency personals, on other hand, usually stay cool under enormous panicky situations thus many of them have claimed to hear what may have been sounds of explosives going off.

Who are these people experiencing full blown amnesia? I was 8 blocks away. I remember every single moment. I haven't met a single person who had amnesia.

 

[dubfan]

Unfortunately, they didn't catch a very good one. Or at least not one who has looked at the attacks with any seriousness. This is going to go poorly and leave the Loosers more convinced than ever that they're right.

You're probably right in your assessment of his seriousness, but I somehow doubt they will be able to marshal a solid argument in support of their airtight controlled demolition scenario.

I suspect that if he knew the same facts you do, he'd change his arguments accordingly, and his slips don't strengthen the controlled demo argument in any case.

If they convince him, I will be amazed.

 

[kookbreaker]

Who are these people experiencing full blown amnesia? I was 8 blocks away. I remember every single moment. I haven't met a single person who had amnesia.

Geggy has to add bigger lies to cover his other lies. He is very stupid.

 

[Gravy]

People in manhattan were experiencing full blown amnesia at the time of the attacks and the collapsing of the towers, they wouldn't remember what they had seen or heard. Firefighters and emergency personals, on other hand, usually stay cool under enormous panicky situations thus many of them have claimed to hear what may have been sounds of explosives going off.

Geggy, you called me a liar. Please prove it, apologize, or go away.

When you've done that, please show that a single person in Manhattan has amnesia about 9/11 and can't remember what they heard or saw.

 

[Abbyas]

God help me, I know that these people are so invested in the conspiracy that any information will be warped to help their case, but I just can't stay away.

 

[kookbreaker]

God help me, I know that these people are so invested in the conspiracy that any information will be warped to help their case, but I just can't stay away.

Dylan Avery is a cult leader. Its just that simple.

 

[Manny]

People in manhattan were experiencing full blown amnesia at the time of the attacks and the collapsing of the towers, they wouldn't remember what they had seen or heard.

Congratulations. You have now processed more crap than the North River Wastewater Treatment Plant.

Firefighters and emergency personals, on other hand, usually stay cool under enormous panicky situations thus many of them have claimed to hear what may have been sounds of explosives going off.

Where are they, g? All these firefighters who said they heard a bomb -- why aren't they outside the WTC site with the Loosers saying, "I heard a bomb, dammit!" Why aren't they picketing Senators Schumer and Clinton demanding that the investigation be reopened to hear their testimony about bombs? Why aren't they on strike demanding that all firefighters be trained in bomb disposal or that bomb disposal units go in first to all skyscraper fires if they're so sure that bombs killed 343 of their brothers?

 

[farrisjs]

God help me, I know that these people are so invested in the conspiracy that any information will be warped to help their case, but I just can't stay away.

Sometimes I'am not sure why I keep coming back to this thread, there doesn't seem to be anything that will convince or change the CT minds. I feel that where are just going in circles with the "TRUTH" people not getting anywhere but then I see some the post here and at the LC forum and Gravy LC Guide that maybe this thread is doing something.

Steve

 

[kookbreaker]

Congratulations. You have now processed more crap than the North River Wastewater Treatment Plant.


Where are they, g? All these firefighters who said they heard a bomb -- why aren't they outside the WTC site with the Loosers saying, "I heard a bomb, dammit!" Why aren't they picketing Senators Schumer and Clinton demanding that the investigation be reopened to hear their testimony about bombs? Why aren't they on strike demanding that all firefighters be trained in bomb disposal or that bomb disposal units go in first to all skyscraper fires if they're so sure that bombs killed 343 of their brothers?

Have the Loosers or any other 911 groups managed to get any Firefighters on their side? They've implied a lot that they have support from that sector, but I've never seen any firefighters actually come out and say it.

(I have seen firefighters express rage at how certain things were handled during the event and how they may have caused needless deaths, but this is is a far cry from saying it was a big conspiracy.)

 

[Manny]

(I have seen firefighters express rage at how certain things were handled during the event and how they may have caused needless deaths, but this is is a far cry from saying it was a big conspiracy.)

This is exactly why I hate the Loosers to the point that I believe "he was a 9-11 conspiracy theorist" should be an affirmative defense to a murder charge. There are real, live questions not answered about 9-11. Questions about building design, questions about communication, questions about fire protection, questions about the role of the military in protecting civilian airspace, questions about civil liberties during a time of war when the exact nature of the war and the duration of it are unclear. Every second spent on these terrorist supporters is a second that ought to be spent on a serious issue. Every person who is persuaded by their garbage is a person who will look at actual important questions from an irrational perspective.

 

[NobbyNobbs]

People in manhattan were experiencing full blown amnesia at the time of the attacks and the collapsing of the towers, they wouldn't remember what they had seen or heard. Firefighters and emergency personals, on other hand, usually stay cool under enormous panicky situations thus many of them have claimed to hear what may have been sounds of explosives going off.

I have a few questions about this, Geggy.

1) What caused the amnesia?

2) What is it about firefighters that prevented tehm from getting it?

3) How long did the amnesia last?

4) Did any of these people realize what happened once it wore off?

5) Did the amnesia block out all their memories of what happened that day, or did it insert different memores? How do you explain what people *do* remember?

6) What evidence do you have for this amnesia occurring? Are you now just throwing random theories out, just for the heck of it? If so, I believe this is called "trolling".

 

[rwguinn]

You're probably right in your assessment of his seriousness, but I somehow doubt they will be able to marshal a solid argument in support of their airtight controlled demolition scenario.

I suspect that if he knew the same facts you do, he'd change his arguments accordingly, and his slips don't strengthen the controlled demo argument in any case.

If they convince him, I will be amazed.

and you, too, manny:
Are you structural engineers? Do you deal with strength of materials, loads, and stress on a daily basis?
If so, you're entitled to an opinion.
If not, shut up.
His description of the supports, cranes, and such are, to my knowlege, accurate. THERE WAS NO "CORE" as such on the twin towers! The load was distributed!

 

[farrisjs]

Have the Loosers or any other 911 groups managed to get any Firefighters on their side? They've implied a lot that they have support from that sector, but I've never seen any firefighters actually come out and say it.

(I have seen firefighters express rage at how certain things were handled during the event and how they may have caused needless deaths, but this is is a far cry from saying it was a big conspiracy.)

I know someone who is on the "Steering Committe" at 911Truth.org and he says that he has been interviewing firefighters and has a lot of evidence but I haven't seen any. I'll see what I can find out.

I'am sure there are a lot of first responders who are mad about how thing when down on 911 and the lack of new resource since but as far as supporting the CT I have serious doubt.

 

[bob_kark]

I have to hand it to you geggy, you're quite tenacious. Most people would have at least conceded that there may be some truth to the "official story" after having 179 posts firmly disproven. Yet, you manage to hang in there.

I wonder, at any point, have you looked back and thought to yourself, "Why is it that the 'official story' has managed to remain consistant through out this endless scrutiny, yet our conspiracy theory has to continuously adapt to all the holes that have been poked through it?" I would just think that knowing something like that would make you at least compare your version of the events to the fact that are readily available to you. Perhaps the better question to ask yourself is, "why do I still believe the conspiracy theory even though all available facts contridict it?"

Either way, I may have to start calling you Tenacious G, but that's a story for another time.

 

[Belz...]

People in manhattan were experiencing full blown amnesia at the time of the attacks and the collapsing of the towers,

Sheesh. You don't know how memory works EITHER ? What DO you know ?

they wouldn't remember what they had seen or heard.

So you no longer trust the fact that they heard explosions ?

 

[Pardalis]

People in manhattan were experiencing full blown amnesia at the time of the attacks and the collapsing of the towers, they wouldn't remember what they had seen or heard. Firefighters and emergency personals, on other hand, usually stay cool under enormous panicky situations thus many of them have claimed to hear what may have been sounds of explosives going off.

WILL YOU CUT IT OUT WITH YOUR FRIGGIN "FRONTAL LOBE" THEORY! You absolutely don't know what you're talking about and you sound like a nut.

 

[Manny]

If they convince him, I will be amazed.

Oh, I agree with that. They have a 0% chance of convincing him. I'm just afraid that they'll convince themselves that structural engineers are dumb/bought off/in on it/whatever and will seize on his errors as "evidence."

and you, too, manny:
Are you structural engineers? Do you deal with strength of materials, loads, and stress on a daily basis?
If so, you're entitled to an opinion.
If not, shut up.
His description of the supports, cranes, and such are, to my knowlege, accurate. THERE WAS NO "CORE" as such on the twin towers! The load was distributed!

I think you may have been reading more into my post than was warranted.

That said, this is as good an opportunity to discuss yet another of the Loosers' errors, one that is otherwise hardly worth addressing amidst the other dreck they post. When the real estate industry speaks of a building's "core," they're not referring to an engineering or architectural term that means "where the main support of a building is." As discussed, in most buildings there is not "main" support of a building. The term merely refers to "where the elevators are." A "center-core building" simply means that the elevator banks are in approximately the middle of the building. That's good for large office buildings when you want to distribute the worker bees all around the building. An offset-core building will have a pretty big expanse on one side of the elevator banks and a comparatively smaller area on the other side. That's a good design for smaller buildings where you want a decent-size expanse for cubicles or whatever -- you can stick conference rooms and executive offices on the narrower side. It's also good for some multi-tenant setups.

 

[Pardalis]

To remind everyone, here is geggy's infamous "frontal lobe theory":

What I meant was that sept 11 had major psychological impact on citizens who witnessed the chaotic and destructive act of terrorism that has generated widespread fear and distress. Usually when people are afraid, they tend to cling on higher authority expecting them to make them feel safe. When the frontal lobes of their brains are shut down that's caused by the feeling of fear and distress, their judgement becomes clouded and they will believe in anything that is said to them, especially by those who they expect to make them feel safe. The Bush administration were able to take full advantage of it and falsely assured them that they will go to afghanistan to "capture those who did the evil deeds" because he has the public full support. The homeland security created the five level terror alert level because now we know that an attack as massive as sept 11 could occur on america soil, we will become afraid everytime the alert is raised to elevated level to keep us bolted down with fear as the "war on terror" in the middle east continues. Now it's five years later, the frontal lobe are slowly opening up and the five level alert start to have less effect on us, it becomes more apparent and clear to us that the bush administration may have used sept 11 as a false pretext to invade afghanistan. Which is why propagandistic films relating to sept 11 like flight 93 and world trade center are coming around to remind us of why were fighting the "war on terror" in the middle east to prevent a terror attack on america soil to happen again. But it won't have any effect on us because we know the war on terror is a total farce. The wars that are fought in the middle east are based soley for their own interest.