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Loose Change

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Stellafane said:
The alien character seemed potentially interesting however (interesting that in Macfarlane's universe, it's the non-humans that seem to have the most sense).
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"If he drops dead, don't expect me to do that E.T. thing with the finger, cause that's just a great big load of crap."

-- Roger the alien, American Dad
 
The BBC this morning mentions Loose Change:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4990686.stm

In the sternest possible words, no less:

BBC said:
The theorists do not believe eyewitnesses, physical evidence, engineering studies or even the claims of Osama Bin Laden, so it is unlikely that they will be convinced by grainy video frames.
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To understand the conspiracy theory, it is worth considering a film called Loose Change: 2nd edition...

There are, of course, answers to all of the above, to be found in the report of the 9/11 Commission, in other technical assessments and in common sense.
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The most glaring gap in the theory is surely this. If AA77 did not end its flight hitting the Pentagon, what happened to it and its passengers?

This appears to be of little relevance to 9/11 theorists. In the course of an e-mail exchange with one of them I asked this question and was told that for all she knew, the plane could have been diverted somewhere and the passengers gassed.
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And the single most telling comment, which I would love to see some confirmation on:

The film is the work of three young American videomakers, who started off making a fictional film about how they revealed that 9/11 was a US government conspiracy.
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Now did Avery really discover a conspiracy, or did he just discover that fiction doesn't sell as well as controversial truth (ala "A Million Little Pieces")?

Inquiring minds want to know!
 
Yahzi said:
The BBC this morning mentions Loose Change:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4990686.stm

In the sternest possible words, no less:







And the single most telling comment, which I would love to see some confirmation on:


Now did Avery really discover a conspiracy, or did he just discover that fiction doesn't sell as well as controversial truth (ala "A Million Little Pieces")?

Inquiring minds want to know!
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Wouldn't be surprising to find out he fancies himself a young Oliver Stone.
 
Yahzi said:
And the single most telling comment, which I would love to see some confirmation on:

The film is the work of three young American videomakers, who started off making a fictional film about how they revealed that 9/11 was a US government conspiracy.
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Now did Avery really discover a conspiracy, or did he just discover that fiction doesn't sell as well as controversial truth (ala "A Million Little Pieces")?

Inquiring minds want to know!
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Well, there is a video of Dylan talking about it. I think it's on youtube somewhere. I'll try to find it.
 
chipmunk stew said:
I'm hearing more and more stories like this. These CTs are dividing families over literally nothing. I'll offer the same thing I offerred Beerina on another thread. If you want to stage an "intervention", we're ready and waiting.
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In my case I'm giving him a little extra leeway because his new-agey beliefs and distrust of authority caused him to delay going to the hospital until he was in such pain he could barely walk. They ended up removing part of his colon, and he went back in about a month ago for the second surgery. He seems to have an immense distrust of hospitals, governments, and scientists.

He tried to convince me to look into 'natural' methods of curing my gall bladder problems, but the only natural thing I've done is to eliminate eggs from my diet, and I've had no further attacks. When I had mentioned my gb discomfort he immediately shoved a book about naturopathy in my face and got quite emotional when I questioned the credentials and qualifications of the author. He seemed to think the author wouldn't have been allowed to write the book if he wasn't telling the truth. Wish I could remember the title of the book.

This morning I sat down and reviewed our email exchanges to see how many different nasty things he had either called me or attributed to me. Here's the result:

I'm impossible, hardened, fixed, hopeless, intractable, incorrigible, stubborn, a 'dumby', insulting, naive, a dupe, prejudiced, blockheaded, closed minded, a denialist, dismissive, ignorant, prideful, condescending, a bastard, uninformed,
illintentioned, unintelligent, insincere, out to lunch, and way outta line.

Sounds like I'm quite the party-pooper. I wonder if he labels everyone who disagrees in a similar fashion, or is that just reserved for me? :D

RayG
 
Yahzi said:
Now did Avery really discover a conspiracy, or did he just discover that fiction doesn't sell as well as controversial truth (ala "A Million Little Pieces")?

Inquiring minds want to know!
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I think the answer is evident in how Avery dealt with changes in the second version. He got rid of the "pod/missile" theory, which had been ridiculed by just about everyone. Great. That's an improvement to the video. But then he added the whole "flight 93 landed safely in Cleveland and the site at Shanksville is all fake and the black box info is fake and the passenger remains and personal effects are fake and the radar info is fake and and no phone calls were made," etc., etc. In the first version flight 93 did crash in Pennsylvania. Avery chose a wild fantasy to replace a boring reality. That's the kind of "truth" he's interested in.

BTW, does anyone know if Oliver Stone's film has a CT slant?
 
RayG said:
I'm impossible, hardened, fixed, hopeless, intractable, incorrigible, stubborn, a 'dumby', insulting, naive, a dupe, prejudiced, blockheaded, closed minded, a denialist, dismissive, ignorant, prideful, condescending, a bastard, uninformed, illintentioned, unintelligent, insincere, out to lunch, and way outta line.
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Just don't call Ray late for dinner! Seriously, though, what do your enemies call you? :D
 
Gravy said:
I think the answer is evident in how Avery dealt with changes in the second version. He got rid of the "pod/missile" theory, which had been ridiculed by just about everyone. Great. That's an improvement to the video. But then he added the whole "flight 93 landed safely in Cleveland and the site at Shanksville is all fake and the black box info is fake and the passenger remains and personal effects are fake and the radar info is fake and and no phone calls were made," etc., etc. In the first version flight 93 did crash in Pennsylvania. Avery chose a wild fantasy to replace a boring reality. That's the kind of "truth" he's interested in.
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I'd like to see if this "young Oliver" has the *stones* to face the family members of the passengers of Flight 93 to see what their reactions would be?

Not likely. That's just one thing the CT's don't have the guts to do. It doesn't fit their empty agenda.
 
Dinsdale Piranha said:
I'd like to see if this "young Oliver" has the *stones* to face the family members of the passengers of Flight 93 to see what their reactions would be?

Not likely. That's just one thing the CT's don't have the guts to do. It doesn't fit their empty agenda.
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Aah, you're wrong, Dinsdale! Avery did attempt to confront the families of flight 93 victims at the premiere of 'United 93," but security kept him away.
 
Gravy said:
Aah, you're wrong, Dinsdale! Avery did attempt to confront the families of flight 93 victims at the premiere of 'United 93," but security kept him away.
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Lucky for him that they did. I expect the little weasel would fold like cheap tripod after the first punch.
 
bob_kark said:
Oh, I haven't seen this... I would be pretty surprised if it had a CT slant. I'm pretty sure he would be run out of Hollywood.
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Heh. I'm half-expecting one of those Hollywood whack-a-woos to start championing Loose Change.

/no, Charlie Sheen doesn't count.
//Susan Sarandon lives in New York, so probably not her.
///Loves the slashies!
 
Manny said:
Heh. I'm half-expecting one of those Hollywood whack-a-woos to start championing Loose Change.

/no, Charlie Sheen doesn't count.
//Susan Sarandon lives in New York, so probably not her.
///Loves the slashies!
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My vote is for Nick Nolte.
 
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