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geggy said:
So you admit there are conflicting reports? The molten pool indicated the metal melted at high temperature, so I think the steel did go over 600C but how can you prove it through observation on the steel without computer model? Oh right you cant cuz most of the steel has already been removed and shipped before anyone could obtain them for further evaluation. goshdurn it.
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How many times do we need to disprove this?

geggy said:
What created the molten pool? It couldnt have possibly been caused by heat from the fuel cuz the tank of fuel in the plane has already went up in flames during the impact.
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geggy said:
Alright so the concrete didnt fly straight out of the building but it did get forced out further than the dust and fell in diagonal direction. How was that possible? Was it caused by the mass energy produced from the near free falling of the collapse? oh wait you said the building didnt fall at near free fall...could it have been caused by an explosion? oh wait Its impossible for the building to fall at near free fall speed without the help of explosives. Oh yeah maybe it could be both! that might be it.
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Force = Mass * Acceleration. DIY math, take the mass of the top of the WTC and multiply it by its acceleration. It doesn't take a free fall speed to produce great force.
 
Pardalis said:
What's this "****" ? I don't ever remember Gravy using foul language. Did you quote him right geggy? I've noticed you haven't attached a link to Gravy's quote. Please provide exact quote:
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He's posting my PMs to him.
 
geggy said:
So you admit there are conflicting reports?
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Of course. Any major catastrophy will generate a number of conflicting testimonies. This is why eyewitnesses are considered unreliable.

This doesn't mean that I didn't notice your dodge, however. You're trying to have it both ways: you WANT molten steel at the site, even though none of us here seems to have seen any evidence that were was, and at the same time you want to believe that the temperature present was ridiculously low, which is irrelevant if molten steel isn't present, anyway. You're not arguing that the reports are conflicting; those elements are important to your opinion of the events, and you cling to them.

The molten pool indicated the metal melted at high temperature, so I think the steel did go over 600C
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A simple question should suffice here, geggy. ASSUMING there were pools of molten metal at the site, how would you know if they're steel ?

but how can you prove it through observation on the steel without computer model? Oh right you cant cuz most of the steel has already been removed and shipped before anyone could obtain them for further evaluation. goshdurn it.
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So they should've left the steel there for, what, 60 years ?

What created the molten pool? It couldnt have possibly been caused by heat from the fuel cuz the tank of fuel in the plane has already went up in flames during the impact.
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Speculation. Since fuel is liquid, it seems reasonable to assume that it went all over the place, igniting other things as it went. Since the WTC is a relatively closed environment, it seems hasty to conclude that temperatures could not have risen above 600C. But even so, all this is moot if there was NO STEEL at the site. So you should start by proving that there was.

Alright so the concrete didnt fly straight out of the building but it did get forced out further than the dust and fell in diagonal direction. How was that possible?
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Physics. Perhaps you should take a few courses.

Was it caused by the mass energy produced from the near free falling of the collapse? oh wait you said the building didnt fall at near free fall...
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No I didn't. You claimed otherwise. I'm just asking you to prove it.

could it have been caused by an explosion? oh wait Its impossible for the building to fall at near free fall speed without the help of explosives.
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Again, your claim. I never said that.
 
geggy said:
Stellafane...

Macfarlane is a hardcore jew so he could have gotten warnings just like the other 4000 jews that didnt show up for work that day. :rolleyes: Just kidding. For all i know it could be just a coincidence. By the way have you ever watched the show American dad?
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i didnt know macfarlane was a jewish name, any proof he's a hardcore jew? or just more speculation geggy?
 
geggy said:
Stellafane...
Macfarlane is a hardcore jew so he could have gotten warnings just like the other 4000 jews that didnt show up for work that day. :rolleyes: Just kidding.
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Damn, ya had me going there for a second dude...good one. Good to see you have a sense of humor at least.

For all i know it could be just a coincidence.
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So you admit that coincidences exist, right? I'm sure you can anticipate my next question: How can you ignore this rather striking (and some would say suspicious, even incriminating) coincidence, and not others that seem far more tenuous?

By the way have you ever watched the show American dad?
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Just once, and it was kinda hard to get into -- basically a right-wing Family Guy from what I can see, but not as funny. The alien character seemed potentially interesting however (interesting that in Macfarlane's universe, it's the non-humans that seem to have the most sense). I'll give it another shot sometime.
 
Huntsman said:
Personally, I think the right thing would have involved razor blades, salt, lemon juice, electrical shocks, rasps, electric belt sanders, and just enough medical support to prevent death.

But that's just me :)
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Well, maybe not *just* you.
 
Hey, now, let's try to keep this reasonably civil. I was just asking geggy to do what any adult would do who calls someone a liar: provide evidence or apologize. He has done neither, so I think the kind of person he is is self-evident. Only he knows what benefit he receives from trolling here, and why he seems to delight in being wrong. It's fitting that this is in the paranormal section. His behavior is beyond anything I've encountered before.
 
kookbreaker said:
Done.

http://www.luxinzheng.net/publications/english_WTC.htm

Do you get high off of being wrong?
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I think the "high" is from whatever chemical this guy has been huffing.

This is why I do so love the JREF forums. Here is a perfect opportunity for a deluded (or dishonest) ass like this geggy character to man up and admit that he's been had by the loosers. Here it is geg...grow and learn...that's what we do here at JREF. We grow, learn, and have a strong hearty laugh at the blinkered idiots and trolls who come here with their iron-clad biases, weak brains, or chronicly low self esteem which prevents such growth and education.

You and your addle-brained CT co-religionists are to be pitied your lack of potential. You live in a world of paranoid fantasy. One wonders how a person of your limited intellect manages to operate common household appliances whithout injury. :rolleyes:

-z

Canned food is a conspiracy you know....dreamed up by a nefarious cabal of can-opener manufactuers...proven by the question: "who benefited?"
 
From the "There is some good news" dept.

Someone at work started fwding 9-11 conspiracy nonsense around the office.

Now, the guy that started it doesn't buy it for a second, but he got kick out of sending it around to see who would believe it (and to annoy me).

Sure 'nuff, a few people start saying "You know, this makes some sense, anything is possible. This looks suspicious" blah, blah, blah.

One co-worker though, in fact the one that sits closest to me and has listened to my anti-psychic/UFO/paranormal/etc. rants for the last four years, reads the conspiracy stuff and says, "So what's the conspiracy? What are they saying happened? I'm not even sure what this is supposed to make me believe."

I hugged her. :)
 
To the credit of the LC admins, they allowed my registration as "stipmunk chew" to go through.

In the "Welcome New Members!" forum, I reintroduced myself:
stipmunk chew said:
Guess who's back
Back again
Chipmunk's back
Tell a friend
Guess who's back, guess who's back, guess who's back, guess who's back
guess who's back, guess who's back, guess who's back..

I've created a monster, cause nobody wants to see Shady no more
They want Chipmunk, I'm chopped liver (huh?)
Well if you want Chipmunk, this is what I'll give ya
A little bit of reason mixed with some hard liquor
Some logic that'll jump start my heart quicker
than a shock when I get shocked at the hospital
by the doctor when I'm not co-operating
When I'm rockin the table while he's operating (hey!!)
You waited this long, now start debating
Cause I'm back, I'm on the rag and ovu-lating
I know that you got a job Ms. Cheney
but your husband's heart problem's complicating
So TheQue-S-T won't let me be
or let me be me, so let me see
They try to shut me down on LC2E
But it feels so empty, without me
So, come on and dip, bum on your lips
F*** that, c** on your lips, and some on your t***
And God willing, I'm gonna let you get your filling
I just registered as "stipmunk", F*** YOU DYLAN! [<---j/k!]

Now this looks like a job for me
So everybody, just follow me
Cause we need a little, controversy
Cause it feels so empty, without me
I said this looks like a job for me
So everybody, just follow me
Cause we need a little, controversy
Cause it feels so empty, without me


(To the mods & admins: This post is all in fun. Thank you for allowing my registration to go through.)
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http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=4377
 
Pardalis said:
CT's and Creationsists can't seem to accept that random events (AKA coincidences) do happen,
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But if everything wasn't planned, down to the last detail, then that would imply their not being the center of the universe was just an accident, not a dramatic secret staging technique that will suddenly be revealed at the end of the show.
 
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