Loose Change

[bob_kark]

Personally, I think the right thing would have involved razor blades, salt, lemon juice, electrical shocks, rasps, electric belt sanders, and just enough medical support to prevent death.

But that's just me

I dunno, Scrubs had a great form of torture last night. They tied up one of the doctors and made him listen to a barber shop quartet sing " I wan't my babyback, babyback, babyback. I wan't my babyback, babyback, babyback." Yet never sang "Chili's baby back ribs!" I'm sure it would cause a psychotic break within a few hours. We'd certainly need several teams of barber shop quartets to handle working 24 hours a day for 20 years, but I think it would be worth it.

 

[EGarrett]

I dunno, Scrubs had a great form of torture last night. They tied up one of the doctors and made him listen to a barber shop quartet sing " I wan't my babyback, babyback, babyback. I wan't my babyback, babyback, babyback." Yet never sang "Chili's baby back ribs!" I'm sure it would cause a psychotic break within a few hours. We'd certainly need several teams of barber shop quartets to handle working 24 hours a day for 20 years, but I think it would be worth it.

Wouldn't that be torture for the Quartet though?

I do like this idea though. What about making them listen to the first 30 seconds of "Enter Sandman" by Metallica? Just the build-up...over and over...without the song after it...

 

[farrisjs]

Looks like this massive conspiracy may have cost me a friendship, though I've told him I'd just as easily have a beer with him as argue with him.

On May 11th I received an email from him entitled Confronting The Evidence--The 9--11 Truth Movement in which, at great length, he described the far-reaching government conspiracy of 911, mentioned Loose Change, made reference to the Reichstag fire, Pearl Harbour, The Project for a New American Century, and the New World Order, and encouraged me to check out links supporting the 911 conspiracy.

He was not amused when I responded with a list of links supporting the 'official' story, or debunking the contents of the links he had provided to me.

In an apparent appeal to authority, he tossed the names Steven Jones and Barry Zwicker at me, as though they have a monopoly on the truth. He became increasingly upset that I was unimpressed by their qualifications.

We corresponded back and forth via email, him getting increasingly emotional, me standing firm in my demand for evidence. Him resorting to name-calling and more emotional outbursts, me asking repeatedly for irrefutable evidence.

I told him I hadn't resorted to name-calling, or outright dismissal, I was "waiting for some FACTS to surface that show an elaborate conspiracy involving literally thousands of government employees, in dozens of government and civilian agencies, which resulted in the deaths of thousands of innocent people. Never mind the links to opinions, conjecture, speculation, or wishful-thinking, give me some MEAT. Give me even one name of a conspirator, or one document showing this elaborate scheme. Rumors, and claims by unqualified individuals just aren't convincing."

He became increasingly irrate.

A few minutes ago I received his latest email, filled with more emotional gems, heightened name-calling, and a plea I not send him any more on the matter lest he vomit (apparently because I've insulted his intelligence).

Too bad really, I've had some pretty interesting discussions with him in the past about topics suited for this message forum. He's not a bad guy, and it's really sad he's resorting to temper tantrums as impressive as anything my 11 kids have produced.

Reminds me of the Elbert Hubbard quote -- "If you can't answer a man's arguments, all is not lost; you can still call him vile names." --

Anyone else lose a friend over this?

RayG

I never lost a friend but my brother-in-law is big in the 911Truth.org so it has caused me some grieve at family get togethers. Most of the time he starts to talk about 911 I remain quiet and bite my tongue but its slowly build until I get angry. I don't argue the best when I'am angry especially after a few drinks. I wish I had the patience and knowledge of dubfan and gravy. This thread has helped alot for both knowledgable replys and emotional support to his illogical statements.

Steve

 

[chipmunk stew]

I never lost a friend but my brother-in-law is big in the 911Truth.org so it has caused me some grieve at family get togethers. Most of the time he starts to talk about 911 I remain quiet and bite my tongue but its slowly build until I get angry. I don't argue the best when I'am angry especially after a few drinks. I wish I had the patience and knowledge of dubfan and gravy. This thread has helped alot for both knowledgable replys and emotional support to his illogical statements.

Steve

I'm hearing more and more stories like this. These CTs are dividing families over literally nothing. I'll offer the same thing I offerred Beerina on another thread. If you want to stage an "intervention", we're ready and waiting.

 

[bob_kark]

Wouldn't that be torture for the Quartet though?

That's why you'd need so many. Of course, it might be more effective to just tape them singing and pipe it into his cell.

I do like this idea though. What about making them listen to the first 30 seconds of "Enter Sandman" by Metallica? Just the build-up...over and over...without the song after it...

Oooh, that's good too, but not quite as annoying.

 

[Belz...]

The power of christ compels you
The power of christ compels you
The power of christ compels you

http://rys2sense.com/images/jap911.JPG

Oh well... if the Japanese say it, it MUST be true.

You've converted me.

 

[farrisjs]

I'm hearing more and more stories like this. These CTs are dividing families over literally nothing. I'll offer the same thing I offerred Beerina on another thread. If you want to stage an "intervention", we're ready and waiting.

I would love for you to do that. He has convert my inlaws to the "TRUTH" of 911 and has made his own movie about the WTC collapse. I would love to see him debate gravy.

Steve

 

[Belz...]

And yes, the power of Christ compels us all.

I find it far less than compelling, myself.

 

[bob_kark]

I find it far less than compelling, myself.

It compels you to not be compelled.

 

[geggy]

Aren't you contradicting yourself, there ?

So you admit there are conflicting reports? The molten pool indicated the metal melted at high temperature, so I think the steel did go over 600C but how can you prove it through observation on the steel without computer model? Oh right you cant cuz most of the steel has already been removed and shipped before anyone could obtain them for further evaluation. goshdurn it. What created the molten pool? It couldnt have possibly been caused by heat from the fuel cuz the tank of fuel in the plane has already went up in flames during the impact.

Alright so the concrete didnt fly straight out of the building but it did get forced out further than the dust and fell in diagonal direction. How was that possible? Was it caused by the mass energy produced from the near free falling of the collapse? oh wait you said the building didnt fall at near free fall...could it have been caused by an explosion? oh wait Its impossible for the building to fall at near free fall speed without the help of explosives. Oh yeah maybe it could be both! that might be it.

 

[Stitch]

And the garbage just keeps on spreading http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/showthread.php?t=515824

 

[geggy]

Stellafane...

Macfarlane is a hardcore jew so he could have gotten warnings just like the other 4000 jews that didnt show up for work that day. Just kidding. For all i know it could be just a coincidence. By the way have you ever watched the show American dad?

What's the deal, geggy? When you call someone a liar, you should be prepared to prove it or apologize. Are you a man or a coward?

I'm willin to apologize if you would provide the three things listed below...

1. Osama tape without the subtitles...I'm not talking about the first 3 minutes...the whole tape.
2. A link as to what may have started the fire in WTC7. Why didn't the fuel tank in the basement explode once the fire had been ignited?
3. A structeral engineer who isn't actually a member of ASCE and supports the pancaking theory.

I have no problem admitting my mistakes. I'm not going to cry over it. I'm just waiting for you to provide the three above so I can observe. That's all. I'm most convinced by the demolition theory, otherwise if you can change my mind, well then, congrats.

You called me a liar, *******. Prove it, apologize, or get lost. What kind of man are you?

Just a cowardly *******, then? Got it.

 

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

So you admit there are conflicting reports?

He was pointing out your circumstantial definition of what qualified as evidence.

The molten pool indicated the metal melted at high temperature

A molten pool of metel would indicate that the metal got hot enough to melt. "high temperature" is relative.

, so I think the steel did go over 600C but how can you prove it through observation on the steel without computer model?

First you claimed the steel never got over 600C, now you say it did. Either way, the steel became hot enough to lose integrity. What is your point? Why is computer modeling of a situation where the construction material has known properties invalid, as you imply?

Oh right you cant cuz most of the steel has already been removed and shipped before anyone could obtain them for further evaluation. goshdurn it.

Already disproven, and irrelevent.

What created the molten pool? It couldnt have possibly been caused by heat from the fuel cuz the tank of fuel in the plane has already went up in flames during the impact.

Already addressed. There was sufficient flammable material in the building to generate the heat necessary for the steel to weaken, and for aluminum to melt.

Alright so the concrete didnt fly straight out of the building but it did get forced out further than the dust and fell in diagonal direction.

The visible debris has greater inertia, due to its mass, than the dust particles.

How was that possible? Was it caused by the mass energy produced from the near free falling of the collapse? oh wait you said the building didnt fall at near free fall...could it have been caused by an explosion?

False dichotomy. Unless you can show where the building, collapsing under its own weight would not have sufficient energy to propel the debris in the manner observed you have nothing to prove it is an either/or situation.

oh wait Its impossible for the building to fall at near free fall speed without the help of explosives. Oh yeah maybe it could be both! that might be it.

Evidence?

 

[Curnir]

So you admit there are conflicting reports? The molten pool indicated the metal melted at high temperature, so I think the steel did go over 600C but how can you prove it through observation on the steel without computer model?

Molten pools? Where?

Oh right you cant cuz most of the steel has already been removed and shipped before anyone could obtain them for further evaluation.

Um... No.

goshdurn it.

Wow...

What created the molten pool?

What molten pool?

It couldnt have possibly been caused by heat from the fuel cuz the tank of fuel in the plane has already went up in flames during the impact.

*sigh*

Alright so the concrete didnt fly straight out of the building but it did get forced out further than the dust and fell in diagonal direction. How was that possible?

You havn't payed attention in this thread have you? One word 'Pancaking'

Was it caused by the mass energy produced from the near free falling of the collapse? oh wait you said the building didnt fall at near free fall

Do you even know what freefall is?

...could it have been caused by an explosion?

Umm... No. Not even several.. this has all been explained in the thread... just a hint... READ IT

oh wait Its impossible for the building to fall at near free fall speed without the help of explosives. Oh yeah maybe it could be both! that might be it.

*sigh*

 

[chipmunk stew]

What created the molten pool?

Acme brand Sooper Long-Burning Thermite

Alright so the concrete didnt fly straight out of the building but it did get forced out further than the dust and fell in diagonal direction. How was that possible?

*sigh* I already told you. Acme brand rockets.

 

[Gravy]

Stellafane...

Macfarlane is a hardcore jew so he could have gotten warnings just like the other 4000 jews that didnt show up for work that day. Just kidding. For all i know it could be just a coincidence. By the way have you ever watched the show American dad?

Still here geggy? Remember calling me a liar? Are you going to put up or shut up? I've asked you several times here, and also by PM, to either back up your remark, apologize, or go away.

What kind of man are you? Please respond.

By the way, geggy is posting my PMs to him.

 

[farrisjs]

geggy I know that this has been said before but now I get to say it.

Questions are not evidence.

 

[Hellbound]

I still like my idea of a malfunctioning anti-gravity device.

You can't prove it wrong!!!!!!

 

[farrisjs]

I can, being a Federal employee I know all about the going on at Area 51. The greys didn't give use the plans for the anti-gravity device until the spring of 2002, they gave us non-drip frozen custard in 2001.

 

[Pardalis]

Originally Posted by gravy :
"You called me a liar, *******. Prove it, apologize, or get lost. What kind of man are you?"

What's this "****" ? I don't ever remember Gravy using foul language. Did you quote him right geggy? I've noticed you haven't attached a link to Gravy's quote. Please provide exact quote:

geggy, you called me a liar. Please prove it, apologize, or go away.