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Loose Change

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geggy said:
The power of christ compels you
The power of christ compels you
The power of christ compels you
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Heh heh heh...I see Agent Macfarlane has convinced you to join the conspiracy. Welcome!

To any other CT'ers out there, you can no longer trust geggy, he's on our side now. His repeated use of the code phrase "The power of Christ compels you" (which actually means "All hail the great leader GWB") proves he has joined the family.

ETA: What's with the picture of the three girls? Do they even know what the sign behind them says (assuming it's actually there and not PhotoShop'd in or something)? Me, I think this pic represents a lot of wishful thinking on your part because I don't think there's three girls in the whole world that believe your Loose Change crap -- aren't you all adolescent boys, or "men" who never progressed past adolescence emotionally?
 
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geggy said:
-I'm 100 percent certain the nist, sept 11 commissioners and supporters of the official story will fold like wet tortillas after being offered to debate with team liberty.
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If they have the level of discourse acumen you display, it should be really funny.

If the bush admin had blocked inquiry into nsa spying/torture scandals, why in the world would they openly debate on this matter? It's just as big of a fantasy as oprah discussing sept 11 publicly, since that her magazine is owned by the hearst corporation, who also owns popular mechanics and the history channel, the big "supporters" of the official story.
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geggy said:
The power of christ compels you
The power of christ compels you
The power of christ compels you

http://rys2sense.com/images/jap911.JPG
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Oh wow! I believe you now! You may have only made posts that were quickly debunked in the past, but a picture of Japanese school girls in front of a sign that reads "911 = Inside Job" proves you must be right! Excellent work Geggy!

And yes, the power of Christ compels us all.
 
geggy said:
first squib going off the allow the top to fall without toppling over and break into pieces.
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First off, you don't know the purpose of these "squibs", or are you now a structural engineer ?

second squib ejecting to allow the portion above to fall without toppling over and break into pieces
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Second... TWO squibs ? You really think THAT would bring the WTC down ? Do you have amnesia or something ?
 
dubfan said:
My thoughts: if it's only the politics of the host that's getting in the way... I hope you reconsider. As you point out, you don't have many opportunities to reach so many people with facts all that often.

Something else to consider: I think that the fact that your politics don't align with the host actually gives you enormous credibility. Mention that -- when you go on say, you know, I really don't agree with your politics, and I don't want my appearance to be construed as support for your politics, but we agree on the issue of these conspiracy theories, and I'm here to help shed what light I can on things.

I think it's important to establish you're not simply carrying water for Bush. State that you don't like him, that you disagree with his policies or whatever, but that doesn't mean you have to accept this preposterous nonsense that's put forward by the CTs.
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Well, Gravy, I was going to suggest that you avoid accusations of "teaming up" with people who could be seen as cozy with the Bush administration, but I think dubfan's suggestion is even better.

I would definitely be cautious, though. And I think that Pardalis makes a good point about the value of argumentation.
 
Gravy said:
Good advice. To be clear, these folks are right-wing anti 9/11 conspiracy-theory types. I have no problems with public speaking, but this was on very short notice, so I said no rather than jump into murky water. I didn't get involved in this for its entertainment value.
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One thing I suspect your host might do is try to turn this conspiracy fighting into an anti-liberal rant. In fairness, there is a something of a tilt to the left among the CT crowd. I would say be armed with a list of right-wingers who subscribe to the CT theories. Also be ready to point out that most conventional leftist bloggers and the like have steered away from the CT crowd.
 
Gravy said:
I'd like to get people's opinion on this. I turned down a request to be a guest on the Philadelphia morning radio show of Michael Smerconish. He's a pretty big player: big market, drive-time, sells books, wins awards, subs for Bill O'Reilly on his radio show.

But I don't like his politics. He's right-wing, thinks this country is full of "pussies" for not executing Moussaoui, that kind of thing.

I have no qualms about my decision as it relates to one show. But if I get more requests like that, i'm wondering what to do. I don't want to appear to be lending my voice to causes I dislike. Then again, the opportunity to reach a lot of people with FACTS doesn't come along every day.

I'm sure Dylan Avery sweats over this kind of thing every day.

That's a joke.

Your thoughts?
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I'd have done it -- a calm, well-reasoned, and entertaining response is what the doctor ordered.

By the way, we are pussies for not executing Mussououououiiii. What's your response? Come on, dead air is boring and doesn't get you invited back. Quick, quick!
 
A nicely-written column highlighting why these conspiracy theories are not merely innocent question-asking, but rather a dangerous export:

If you can portray the United States as a nation without scruples, of course, that makes it so much easier to rationalize your own instinct for tyranny, your own subservience to a military-industrial complex. As one analyst told The Moscow Times, “Russia wants to be another wolf.” So does China. So does … Iran.
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12759539/site/newsweek/
 
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WildCat said:
Just saw it on the local news (NBC 5 Chicago), not much to see on the video. It's moving way too fast, but you can tell it's bigger than a missile and has AA paint. I can't believe it took over 4 years of Hollywood manipulation for thet! ;)
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It's true!

If they were gonna fake it, they'd have made a nice, crystal-clear shot of an actual airplane. That it's a blur proves it's real.

...unless they thought of that, and made it a blur deliberately because they realized someone would be on to them if it was too clear of a shot.

Those crafty bastards!
 
Polaris said:
Forgot about Taranto. Didn't know the depth of thar harbor, or whether it was torpedos anyway. To be honest, the battleship still outshined the carrier in the number of naval engagements in WW2. And the strike on Pearl Harbor WAS ineffective, since it only sunk obsolete ships and didn't damage the facilities (granted by a stroke of luck the carriers weren't there). My vote is solidly for "not very forward thinkers". The court-martial of Billy Mitchell bears that out. Forward thinking in the US military has never been a strong-suit - when it happens, it's remarkable.
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Well, I think Midway was the clear end of the battleship as the capital ship of the navy. The only nation that displayed any type of forward thinking was Germany (at least at the upper levels), and then only in selected areas. The construction of Bismarck and Tirpitz (as well as Scharnhorst, Gneisenau and the pocket battleships) was truly stupid by any standard.
 
geggy said:
The power of christ compels you
The power of christ compels you
The power of christ compels you

http://rys2sense.com/images/jap911.JPG
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Y'know I have been debating the 9/11 conspiracy thing over at a forum named Yahooka (stoners debating politics) and this is the kind of frustration I face. (summarized)

CTer: The video clearly shows a missile. Rumsfeld said it!

Me: Ok how do you reconcile the eyewitness accounts of an aircraft.

CTer: Eyewitnesses can by wrong I don't trust them.

Two posts later he has shifted back to the WTC (bombs blew it up). I request any supporting documentation from structural engineers or appropriate authorities with credentials.

CTer: (posts a video of the firemen talking about explosions immediately after the collapse)I don't need anyone with credentials, these are the guys I trust.

Me: Erm, but these are eyewitness accounts, you just said.....

No reply in the last 24 hours after he posted every 10 minutes. Small wonder I am losing my hair.

The common theme I run into is that they do their own "research" despite having no background to do so. Most of them ridicule the idea of experts. I urge them to visit the local butcher for their next medical problem since they don't need anyone with silly credentials.
 
Beerina said:
I'd have done it -- a calm, well-reasoned, and entertaining response is what the doctor ordered.

By the way, we are pussies for not executing Mussououououiiii. What's your response? Come on, dead air is boring and doesn't get you invited back. Quick, quick!
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Mussausoo WANTED to be executed, so he could be a martyr. He DIDN'T want to be some murderer's girlfriend for the next fifty years.

So, I think we did the right thing. :)
 
aggle-rithm said:
Mussausoo WANTED to be executed, so he could be a martyr. He DIDN'T want to be some murderer's girlfriend for the next fifty years.

So, I think we did the right thing. :)
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Personally, I think the right thing would have involved razor blades, salt, lemon juice, electrical shocks, rasps, electric belt sanders, and just enough medical support to prevent death.

But that's just me :)
 
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