Loose Change

[Sword_Of_Truth]

When did correcting people on their facts about Hitler become "defending" him? Did I miss a meeting?

When did defending white supremacists become unusual for for the LC forum?

 

[Pardalis]

I can't read that LC forum junk anymore... They are all over the place! They talk about D-Day, Hiroshima, the Reichstag fire... WTFF?

 

[Pardalis]

Quote from "The Quest" at http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=3842&st=120

Guys and gals,

Upon futher review, letting in obvious professional trolls is going to have to looked at on a case by case basis.

Keep in mind that you are never going to convince a fed-troll. They are here to do a job and they will not waiver. While we are wasting time with these types we are taking away time from legit newbies and the forums quickly become a chaotic mess.

In the meantime citizen surveilance is growning and a potential attack of Iran is looming large. While we're playing nice-guy and trying so hard to be politically correct, the 911 perps are playing for keeps.

The days of letting professional troll types in our forums carte blanche are pretty much over. We don't have the resources to do it and times a wasing.

We are going to have to make some calls sometimes that may not be popular but it's about survival. Nothing more.

If this doesn't sound like a survivalist extremist, I don't know what will.

 

[Gravy]

TheQuest is quite a piece of work. And he claims to be in his 50s, not his teens. Of all the exchanges I've seen on any forum, this one from LC is my favorite (in response to complaints about TheQuest banning me).

TheQuest Posted: Apr 9 2006, 09:15 PM

CMS,

I'm sorry you can't appreciate you that this country has already laid out the groundwork for going 'nuclear' on Iran.

I'm sorry you can't aprreciate we are trying to put an end to the killing of thousand of inocent civilians in Iraq.

I am sorry you are not old enough to have lived through the assasinations of JFK, RFK, MLK like I have.

I am sorry that you are not old enough to have witnessed the killings of protesting college students at Kent State as I have.

I am sorry that you did not have to contemplate the leaving of your family, friends and neighbors at the tender age of 18 and fleeing to Canada to avoid an unjust war in Vietnam as I did.

Most of all, I am sorry I can't do enough to protect the world's innocents.

What are you sorry for?

Chipmunk Stew:

I'm sorry that you've become what you're fighting against.

Chipmunk Stew's reply was deleted from the thread.

 

[geggy]

WHOA! Chimpunk is quoting darth vader's quote, "if you are not with us, you are against us."

 

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

WHOA! Chimpunk is quoting darth vader's quote, "if you are not with us, you are against us."

No, he was paraphrasing Niezsche you n00b, "One should see to it when hunting monsters that they do not become one in the process: For when one stares long into the abyss, the abyss stares back into him."

 

[geggy]

No, he was paraphrasing Niezsche you n00b, "One should see to it when hunting monsters that they do not become one in the process: For when one stares long into the abyss, the abyss stares back into him."

That quote sounds like what exactly had happened to the israelis hunting for the culprits of the kidnappings of the israeli atheltes during the 1972 olympics. Interestingly, the kidnappings by the arabs happened on the date of sept 11...Have you ever read the book "vengeance" by george jonas? I'd highly recommend it. I have not yet seen the film, "Munich", though, which was based on the book.

I think this quote by mark twain is better suited for thequest, whom may have been fooled by the sept 11, 2001 attacks like many of us....

"whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority its time to pause and refleck..."

 

[dubfan]

So last night I visited this thread: http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=4094 (where I was amused to see all the young Loose Changer's suddenly shocked to find themselves in the company of rabid anti-Zionists, and holocaust- and Apollo moon landing-deniers...but on with the story...)

And then I went to the link referenced in the post (http://www.erichufschmid.net/Avery-Rowe-Bermas-Hufschmid-phonecall.html), which is hosted by a gentleman named Eric Hufschmid, and listened to the recording of the phone conversation that's posted there between Eric and the LC Crew.

Apparently Eric is upset that various outlets in the "9/11 Truth" movement are promoting Loose Change and not Eric's video. This seems to be due to the fact that Eric is a paranoid holocaust- and Apollo-denier. However, Eric comes to the conclusion that the reason people are promoting Loose Change over his video is because Dylan & Co. are PART OF THE CONSPIRACY.

This conversation simply has to be heard to be believed. It really opened my mind to what these CTists are all about. 9/11 is just the tip of the iceberg to these people, and once they "prove" the government is behind 9/11...they have a whole different CT agenda waiting to enact.

 

[kookbreaker]

That sound you hear is a conspiracy eating itself.

 

[kookbreaker]

That quote sounds like what exactly had happened to the israelis hunting for the culprits of the kidnappings

It also sounds like what the Loose Change forum is doing when they ban any dissent and questions in pursuit of their 'opressive, free-speech crushing gub'mint'.

Did that point escape you? Most points do.

 

[geggy]

And then I went to the link referenced in the post (http://www.erichufschmid.net/Avery-Rowe-Bermas-Hufschmid-phonecall.html), which is hosted by a gentleman named Eric Hufschmid, and listened to the recording of the phone conversation that's posted there between Eric and the LC Crew.

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I don't understand why you people are all hellbent on those activists who may well be cointelpros that advocates silly theories like the pod on planes, missile hit the pentagon, hologram, etc which may well be government propaganda in attempt to discredit the movement. instead of focusing on the works of more serious investigators such as michael ruppert (www.oilempire.us), david ray griffin, paul thompson (www.cooperativeresearch.org), etc...

 

[DavidJames]

I don't understand why you people are all hellbent on those activists who may well be cointelpros that advocates silly theories like the pod on planes, missile hit the pentagon, hologram, etc which may well be government propaganda in attempt to discredit the movement. instead of focusing on the works of more serious investigators such as michael ruppert (www.oilempire.us), david ray griffin, paul thompson (www.cooperativeresearch.org), etc...

because they are all the same. Each of them offers the same level of credible evidence, namely, none.

That you can't see that, should raise an alarm for you.

 

[bob_kark]

That quote sounds like what exactly had happened to the israelis hunting for the culprits of the kidnappings of the israeli atheltes during the 1972 olympics. Interestingly, the kidnappings by the arabs happened on the date of sept 11...Have you ever read the book "vengeance" by george jonas? I'd highly recommend it. I have not yet seen the film, "Munich", though, which was based on the book.

I think this quote by mark twain is better suited for thequest, whom may have been fooled by the sept 11, 2001 attacks like many of us....

"whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority its time to pause and refleck..."

Actually, he said

Whenever you find that you are on the side of the majority, it is time to reform.

But, I'm glad you like Mark Twain, I have some more for you:

Education: that which reveals to the wise, and conceals from the stupid, the vast limits of their knowledge.

The history of our race, and each individual's experience, are sown thick with evidence that a truth is not hard to kill and that a lie told well is immortal.

In religion and politics, people's beliefs and convictions are in almost every case gotten at second hand, and without examination.

You cannot depend on your eyes when your imagination is out of focus.

Fiction is obliged to stick to possibilities. Truth isn't.

 

[dubfan]

bob_kark: Priceless. Thank you for those.

 

[dubfan]

I don't understand why you people are all hellbent on those activists who may well be cointelpros that advocates silly theories like the pod on planes, missile hit the pentagon, hologram, etc which may well be government propaganda in attempt to discredit the movement. instead of focusing on the works of more serious investigators such as michael ruppert (www.oilempire.us), david ray griffin, paul thompson (www.cooperativeresearch.org), etc...

How do we know it isn't YOU that's the cointelpro??? Hmmmmmmmmmm.....???

 

[kookbreaker]

I don't understand why you people are all hellbent on those activists who may well be cointelpros that advocates silly theories like the pod on planes, missile hit the pentagon, hologram, etc which may well be government propaganda in attempt to discredit the movement.

I find it amusing. go up to Dylan Avery and tell him he is working for the government.

instead of focusing on the works of more serious investigators such as michael ruppert (www.oilempire.us), david ray griffin, paul thompson (www.cooperativeresearch.org), etc...

No true Scotsman fallacy. I can't speak for the others, but Griffin offers nothing new. He declares the fire could not be hot enough (but his only evidence is verrrrry selective (i.e. deceptive) quoting of NIST). He and his whole movement are just ideologists pretending to be investigators. Griffins only science work is the stuff of Dr. Jones, which has been thrashed here.

 

[geggy]

because they are all the same. Each of them offers the same level of credible evidence, namely, none.

That you can't see that, should raise an alarm for you.

Paul thompson provides a more fair and balanced hypothesis and ask solid questions, instead of outrageous theories and lies by those you've listed above, in his cooperativeresearch.org website which is backed up with countless sources from the public press. You need to look into his website before you jump into conclusion based on your assumption that he is one of "them" which pretty much makes you a conspiracy theorists, dunnit?

 

[WildCat]

Paul thompson provides a more fair and balanced hypothesis and ask solid questions, instead of outrageous theories and lies by those you've listed above, in his cooperativeresearch.org website which is backed up with countless sources from the public press. You need to look into his website before you jump into conclusion based on your assumption that he is one of "them" which pretty much makes you a conspiracy theorists, dunnit?

Your link to his site doesn't work.

Just curious geggy, does Thompson actually interview structural engineers, firefighters who were on the scene, or other people w/ expert credentials or first-hand knowledge of 9/11?

And snother thing I've often wondered - the CTers are fond of quoting transcripts of firefighter audio from 9/11 as "proof" that there were bombs in the WTC (which, unlike any other controlled demo ever, start going off over an hour before the collapse). Do any of these surviving quoted firefighters actually support the CD theory?

 

[DavidJames]

Paul thompson provides a more fair and balanced hypothesis and ask solid questions, instead of outrageous theories and lies by those you've listed above, in his cooperativeresearch.org website which is backed up with countless sources from the public press. You need to look into his website before you jump into conclusion based on your assumption that he is one of "them" which pretty much makes you a conspiracy theorists, dunnit?

Been there done that. Now show me one piece of credible evidence for your theories.

Show me one CT proponent who has the credentials to intelligently analyze the facts
Show me one CT proponent who provides evidence based on first hand analysis of the facts.
Show me one CT proponent whose argument at some point doesn't boil down to "it looked like that on TV"

 

[CptColumbo]

As far as Alex Jones (a person oft quoted by CTers) is concerned, I've satisfied myself, that he is either not checking his "facts" or is fabricating them (also known as lying). He has lost any credibility with me and should have none with the CT crowd, but he tells them what they want to hear. Jones is only trying to make himself look important among a group of zealots, by providing just the "facts" they need to prove their case, and have himself made a leader of their community.