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I'm surprised that the CTs don't compare 9/11 to the fire of Rome under Nero.

We've got two crazy leaders, both rumored to be involved with the tragedies. One fiddled while the other read a kid's book. Both events were blamed on religious groups opposed to the agenda of the empire. And you've got the great USA = Roman Empire bit which allows the CT to claim that the USA is posed for collapse.
 
Xraye said:
Thank you, that's exactly what I was trying to say.

And yes, I would agree that claiming there is a governmental conspiracy (which is different than claiming that governmental conspiracies are possible) necesitates producing evidence of such a conspiracy.
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Even without evidence, I personally would settle for a coherent hypothesis describing how the government, even hypothetically, could have pulled off the attack without anyone knowing about it. CT's can't provide this. All they can to is stir up trouble by endlessly regurgitating questions, "inconsistencies", "coincidences", and outright lies. Nowhere have I seen a succinct description of what the CT's think the government did.

I've brought this up before with geggy, but got nowhere. I'll bring it up with you now:

The official version has the advantage of making logical sense in that it fits all the evidence and is based on a chain of plausible cause and effect relationships. Is there ANY conspiracy theory that can say the same?

That's what I would need before I would even begin to consider an alternative explanation to the OV.
 
senorpogo said:
I'm surprised that the CTs don't compare 9/11 to the fire of Rome under Nero.

We've got two crazy leaders, both rumored to be involved with the tragedies. One fiddled while the other read a kid's book. Both events were blamed on religious groups opposed to the agenda of the empire. And you've got the great USA = Roman Empire bit which allows the CT to claim that the USA is posed for collapse.
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Hitler and the Nazis are like pop culture icons by now, so people know exactly what they're getting at when the CTs draw comparisons with them. But I expect you'll get bragging rights before long for predicting it. I read a lot of "I bet you didn't know..." or "Most people have never even heard of..." coming from the CTs. They get off on possessing "arcane" knowledge, and the Nero connection is just the thing, once familiarity with the Reichstag fire becomes too common for their tastes.
 
senorpogo said:
I'm surprised that the CTs don't compare 9/11 to the fire of Rome under Nero.

We've got two crazy leaders, both rumored to be involved with the tragedies. One fiddled while the other read a kid's book. Both events were blamed on religious groups opposed to the agenda of the empire. And you've got the great USA = Roman Empire bit which allows the CT to claim that the USA is posed for collapse.
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Soon, Bush will begin to feed Christians to the lions! ;)
 
I got my first "constructive criticism" from a CT today!

To: itmatters@mail.com
Subject: Loose Change "debunking"
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Here's some constructive criticism: you are obviously every bit as biased toward the idea that the government is NOT behind 9/11 as the makers of Loose Change are that they were, if not more so. You work equally hard to try to "debunk" as they do to try to (maybe) shed light. They at least try to shed light, while you try to hide, and protect, under the guise of logic.

I see right through ya, buddy. Neocon apologist/defender. Rest assured, the 9/11 truth movement is bigger than you will ever be.
Have a nice day.
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Not exactly the level of detail I was looking for.
 
True, but at least you're now a "Neocon apologist/defender", Second Class. That puts you well on your way to full NWO Globalist. Congratulations!
 
Gravy said:
I got my first "constructive criticism" from a CT today!


Not exactly the level of detail I was looking for.
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I find it interesting the way the emailer countered the facts from your critique of Loose Change by calling you a neo-con. Very effective. It definately proves your factual arguments to be wrong.

The old "neo-con" move. That's a very old rhetorical technique that originated in the Lincoln-Douglas debates.
 
senorpogo said:
I find it interesting the way the emailer countered the facts from your critique of Loose Change by calling you a neo-con. Very effective. It definately proves your factual arguments to be wrong.

The old "neo-con" move. That's a very old rhetorical technique that originated in the Lincoln-Douglas debates.
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If you're not with them, then you're with the neo-cons.

...oh wait...
 
Manny said:
True, but at least you're now a "Neocon apologist/defender", Second Class. That puts you well on your way to full NWO Globalist. Congratulations!
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Is there some sort of application that one can fill out to become a NWO Globalist?

I wonder if that's how all of this started, with the head globalist putting ads in newspapers and on the internet, looking for like minded individuals to orchestrate a clever plot to kill thousands of American citizens and wipe away civil liberties.

:D
 
Manny said:
True, but at least you're now a "Neocon apologist/defender", Second Class. That puts you well on your way to full NWO Globalist. Congratulations!
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My Henchgirl (or Wenchman, whichever you prefer)​
 
Just to bring an end to the Hitler analogy, there is no evidence that Hitler or the Nazis arranged the burning of the Reichstag. This has been a bit of popular conjecture for decades but much like the Hitler had a Jewish (choose your relative - father, mother, grandfather, grandmother) relation, there is simply no evidence. The best evidence we have is that it was the work of that one nutty communist they captured. (See Hitler: Hubris 1889-1936 by Ian Kershaw). Hitler, ever the opportunist, simply used the event for his own purposes as he had so frequently before and after. Hitler was certainly not above orchestrating events, he ran on a law and order platform while he was creating most of the disorder and lawbreaking but the Reichstag doesn't appear to be one of these instances.

The one thing that we can say about pre-Hitler Weimar and Germany is that they had almost no experience with democracy. Hence the use of Article 48 and the subsequent Enabling Act was not the shock to the public that the Patriot Act was (or should have been?).
 
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I don't know aboot that, but in reference to another question in that thread, here is the sound of structural steel failing. The "big blue" failure.
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Boy, never expected that. It sounds like an explosion.

ETA: btw, thank you for that link. I added it to the thread over there.
 
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I'd like to remind all you neocons here that it's Friday afternoon, and your weekly reports are due at HQ by 5:00 EDT. Be sure to note which forums you've shilled in this week, along with any major accomplishments, and your plans for next week.

Also, some of you apparently didn't read the memo last week that you need to use the new coversheets on your reports. Please be sure to use only the new coversheets this week.

Also, next Friday will be Hawaiian shirt day.

So if you could all prepare your weekly reports with the new coversheets, that would be great...
 
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