Loose Change

[juryjone]

Max Cleland, the most ouspoken of the ex-commissioners, have complained that they weren't given enough money and time to start with the investigation. Later after the report was released, he would eventually call it a total farce, which lead me to believe something is fishy about sept 11 itself.

Got a source for that "farce" statement other than "trooth" websites?

Wait...who am I talking to?

 

[Stellafane]

Ha! Don't make me laugh. The FBI was told to put halt to the sept 11 investigation just a month after the attacks. Several commissioners of the sept 11 commission have resigned over their frustration with W. stonewalling and under-funding the investigation. They were given only $3 mil and 9 months(?) to start with. Later the commission would request for more fundings at $12 mil, but were only given $9 mil. Max Cleland, the most ouspoken of the ex-commissioners, have complained that they weren't given enough money and time to start with the investigation. Later after the report was released, he would eventually call it a total farce, which lead me to believe something is fishy about sept 11 itself. I think someone who was actually a part of the commission would have a lot more credibility to speak out against the sept 11 report than those who do.

Hi geggy. For at least the fourth time (I've lost count): Assuming your version of 9/11 is correct, and the current administration are a bunch of heartless mass murderers, could you please tell me what we as Americans should do about this?

 

[chipmunk stew]

Ha! Don't make me laugh. The FBI was told to put halt to the sept 11 investigation just a month after the attacks. Several commissioners of the sept 11 commission have resigned over their frustration with W. stonewalling and under-funding the investigation. They were given only $3 mil and 9 months(?) to start with. Later the commission would request for more fundings at $12 mil, but were only given $9 mil. Max Cleland, the most ouspoken of the ex-commissioners, have complained that they weren't given enough money and time to start with the investigation. Later after the report was released, he would eventually call it a total farce, which lead me to believe something is fishy about sept 11 itself. I think someone who was actually a part of the commission would have a lot more credibility to speak out against the sept 11 report than those who do.

There's a ton of other independent information out there beyond the 9/11 Commission report. I've never relied on the report. But the fact remains, the major themes it addresses stand up to serious scrutiny, and the questions it doesn't cover are addressed adequately elsewhere.

 

[Shrinker]

Ha! Don't make me laugh. The FBI was told to put halt to the sept 11 investigation just a month after the attacks. Several commissioners of the sept 11 commission have resigned over their frustration with W. stonewalling and under-funding the investigation. They were given only $3 mil and 9 months(?) to start with. Later the commission would request for more fundings at $12 mil, but were only given $9 mil. Max Cleland, the most ouspoken of the ex-commissioners, have complained that they weren't given enough money and time to start with the investigation. Later after the report was released, he would eventually call it a total farce, which lead me to believe something is fishy about sept 11 itself. I think someone who was actually a part of the commission would have a lot more credibility to speak out against the sept 11 report than those who do.

Geggy do you even have a job? Somebody complaining about lack of resources is not evidence of anything. It's not even evidence that there actually was a lack of resources. People are complaining like that everywhere. It only makes the news when somebody else thinks it proves something.

Now, anyway, $9M. 9 months. They had access to evidence you can only dream of. Yet the biggest complaint that comes out of it was they didn't get enough money. Not, 'hey something fishy here', not 'the gubmint did it', not 'building rigged with volcanos', 'not plane loads of passengers missing' but simply, we wanted more money. Doesn't seem to back up your case at all.

And another thing. Having provided this evidence, I assume you are never ever going to claim these people where bought off? I mean, it's pretty obvious they weren't isn't it?

Edit: typos

 

[Pardalis]

Geggy-the-Great, can you explain to me how a controlled-demolition-made-to-look-like-a-false-collapse-from-the-top is supposed to work?

WITH EVIDENCE please...

 

[Trifikas]

Could ANYTHING look worse on a resume?

"Fact Checker for 'Loose Change' Video"?

 

[Regnad Kcin]

I've already explained thousands of times in this thread and you people accuse me of going round and round on the merry go round.

"Thousands" of times.

Under his name - Posts: 151

You see, geggy, my little friend? That's how evidence works.

 

[Pardalis]

Could ANYTHING look worse on a resume?

"psychologist and Truth Movement activist."

 

[Pardalis]

Geggy's second post, #1410

Facts, not conspiracy theories, were thrown at your face repeatedly, yet you're still clinging onto the official story of 9/11 like flies on poop.

I appreciate you guys challenging me on the questions, even though it feels as if we're on a merry go round reaching 36th page of the thread. I have not seen loose change as it is not subtitled cuz you see, I'm deaf myself and I would need the subtitles to be able to understand what's being said in the video.

However I've started reading articles, both independent and mainstream reports, relating to sept 11 as early as 2002. I'd recommend you to start with this... informationclearinghouse.info/article4582.htm An excellent article, actually, written in 2003. If some of you are new to the sept 11 "conspiracy theories", I probably can understand what you're thinking. At first I dismissed it as an impossiblity that the government could perform such atrocity as massive as sept 11 toward their own people.

But then I kept an open mind and took a closer look, despite being indifferent to the ufo/jfk/bigfoot conspiracy theories, the anomalies surrounding sept 11 raises a lot of valid questions. After the FBI were forced to put halt to the sept 11 investigation on Oct 10, 2001, after 3 years of Bush's attempt at obstructing the independant investigation, the 9/11 cOmmission Report were finally released to the public and yet, it has a lot of holes in it and does not answer a lot of important questions.

I'm convinced that Osama, who was an asset to the CIA, and the 19hijackers, whom 7 of them came forward proving their innocence after the
attacks, had nothing to do with sept 11. I believe those who were training to become pilots in the US were members of al-Qaeda yet they were set up as scapegoats and patsies, provided by Pakistan's Intelligence Agency, the ISI. The forewarnings received by the Bush administration were put forth themselves to cover their own tracks. For all we know, the august 6th memo was most likely doctored, just as the nigeria document confirming Saddam's yellow cakes thta acted as a justification for Bush administration to invade Iraq.

Even if they had forewarnings of the sept 11 attack that was going to take place, then why were plans for war game exercises went ahead as scheduled on the morning of sept 11? Perhaps this article will help you understand why none of the fighter jets in the Air Force base 10 miles from DC were deployed:
infowars.com/articles/us/former_head_of_star_wars_say_cheney_main_911_suspect.htm

The Project for New American Century, created in 1997 whose members are
Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Cheney, etc, created a document called "Rebuilding
of the Defense System" in 1998, which was criticized harshly by those in the capitol. They then rewrote the document in 2000 cliaming that they would need a "catalyzing event--like a new pearl harbor" in order to generate public support to meet with the PNAC's agenda to invade the MiddleEast. Don't believe me? Look it up at newamericancentury.org

As for WTC7, four years and a half since the attacks and the NIST has not come to conclusion as to why it collapsed? An obvious sign of a cover up. You're probably thinking, why would they even intentionally implode WTC7? The government agencies housed at the building were the US secret service, the department of defense, FEMA, the SEC, the CIA and the IRS. Could it be just a coincidence? Is it a coincidence that Larry Silverstein had signed $3.2 billion, 99 year lease several weeks prior to sept 11, only later to claim more than $5 billion from insurance after the attacks? Or the fact that Marvin Bush, George Bush's younger brother, was the head of security in WTC during the time of the attacks?

Speaking of WTC, here are interesting facts about buildings 5 and 6...
-both had thinner steel columns than buildings 1, 2 and 7
-both stood closer to buidlings 1 and 2 than building 7 did
-both suffered far more damages than building 7 did
-both did not collapse, yet building 7 did

Some of you have proven to me that you lack any knowledge of how
building implosion works...

Go here: question911.livejournal.com/2804.html

Because of several witness statements, I strongly believe AA77 struck the pentagon. But I admit the fact they refuse to release videos of the pentagon attack is very suspicious.

I don't know what happened to flight 93. Many had claimed that it made an emergency landing in Cleveland because it was said to be carrying a bomb. Many said it was shot down. Anything that I come to conclusion as to what had happened to flight 93 would be conspiracy theory because I don't have any real, solid proof backed up, which is why I don't spend much time on it.

It's interesting that, as you may have already read the highly unconvincing Popular Mechannic's article debunking the sept 11 CT, was written by Chertoff's son.

I think you guys need to remind yourselves that this is not fantasy, and that it is very, very probable that the Bush administartion may had orchestrated the entire event themselves. You just need to do research yourselves on the internet to allow for it to sink in. But beware of government sponsered disinformationalists spreading misleading information across the internet in attempt discredit the 9/11 truth seekers and divert the attention away from those responsible....

What a load of crap!

I don't think the word "stubborn" is strong enough.

 

[Gravy]

The moon hoaxers are less ridiculous, and it pains me to admit that something less coherent is even possible. Humanity is slipping into the void of ignorance while you cheer and wave.

You're assuming that geggy can't also be a moon hoaxer.

Guess what? I learned this week that one of the Head Loosers, either Dylan or Jason (can't tell from the audio), is a moon hoaxer, but of I kind I haven't come across before. Here's a quote while the two of them are being interviewed by Eric Hufschmid, who is both a moon hoaxer, a 9/11 CT, AND a Holocaust denier:

I mean, I don't like it when people attack you about the moon landings. I've done a bunch of research on that too, and I really don't think that the videos that they're showing us are real. I contend that we may have been to the moon, not with rocket technology, but with something else and it's secret. Definitely not the Apollo landings – they're a joke.

 

[Gravy]

...Assuming that what you and your fellow CT'ers are saying is true, and the Bush administration are the worst mass murderers in the history of America...

I'm guessing that Native Americans would beg to differ.

So, please tell me geggy: what should we, the American people, do about this? This isn't just an academic or rhetorical question; the answer goes a long way towards helping me understand what it is you and your cronies want from all of this.

A very good question. The Loosers say that if they don't get action out of the government after their big rally in NYC on 9/11/06, on 9/11/07 they're going to camp outside the White House until something is done. Camping isn't allowed there, so I've been encouraging them to start a hunger strike ASAP.

 

[Shrinker]

I'm guessing that Native Americans would beg to differ.

A very good question. The Loosers say that if they don't get action out of the government after their big rally in NYC on 9/11/06, on 9/11/07 they're going to camp outside the White House until something is done. Camping isn't allowed there, so I've been encouraging them to start a hunger strike ASAP.

I'd suggest a thirst strike - its quicker.

 

[Shrinker]

Geggy, could you explain why you posted about the 9/11 commisioners' complaints when, if everything you said was true...

• The harsh criticisms directed at the government show that the commsionioners' opinions were not bought by government bribes or that they were silenced by blackmail.
• The limited scope of the criticisms shows that they didn't have any evidence of anything as dramatic as murder, treason or a gigantic conspiracy.

Please don't try anything silly like suddenly claiming the story might not be true, or that all the commisioners' complaints were an act to throw us off the trail, or that its a sign that the conspirators are somehow fighting amongst themsleves. It's too late for that. You brought this stuff up as proof of a conspiracy. You forced it into your own demented world view without even the slightest bit of logical analysis, and now you've exposed yourself to ridicule again.

 

[Gravy]

That kid's writing is as sloppy as a Loose Change Forum regular. The Huffington Post is a strange place - on one hand, The Bad Astronomer sometimes has his writing featured there, and on the other hand, they have stuff like this, and incoherent ramblings from Deepak Chopra, and the "vaccines cause autism" wackos. What a mix!

Someone who has an account to comment there needs to point out to MarkusQ that Ben Chertoff is not related to Michael Chertoff, and had never even heard of him until the PM article had already been written.

I had done that first thing this morning, but like Chipmunk I had to register, and it takes time to get a post up.

 

[Stellafane]

I'm guessing that Native Americans would beg to differ.

Aw c'mon, Gravy...I love ya guy, but that's kind of a cheap shot. I'm hardly going to defend the long, sordid genocide that is the history of this country's treatment of Native Americans. But I don't know of any one single individual personally responsible for the deaths of some 3,000 civilian Americans (native or otherwise) in a single day. And if I'm wrong about that, I'll gladly amend my statement to "one of the worst mass murderers" to ensure I'm not offending anyone.

A very good question. The Loosers say that if they don't get action out of the government after their big rally in NYC on 9/11/06, on 9/11/07 they're going to camp outside the White House until something is done. Camping isn't allowed there, so I've been encouraging them to start a hunger strike ASAP.

It's my theory that CT'ers don't really want us to do anything, they're just getting off on "asking questions" and getting the occasional adult to pay a little attention to them. Of course, if I were in their place, and I honestly believed I was in a country run by mass murderers, I'd either hightail it outa here pronto, or stay here and do something really drastic. So I want to know which one they advocate; it'll help me better understand where they're coming from...and where they think they're going.

 

[Regnad Kcin]

...It's my theory that CT'ers don't really want us to do anything, they're just getting off on "asking questions" and getting the occasional adult to pay a little attention to them. Of course, if I were in their place, and I honestly believed I was in a country run by mass murderers, I'd either hightail it outa here pronto, or stay here and do something really drastic...

Well, judging by the photo of the trio of Loose Changers (found on Gravy's document), they've taken the dramatic and, yes, brave step of donning matching T-shirts!

 

[dubfan]

Well, judging by the photo of the trio of Loose Changers (found on Gravy's document), they've taken the dramatic and, yes, brave step of donning matching T-shirts!

If you ever want to find out just what Loose Change means to Dylan Avery, all you've got to do is read his blog. It's all about advancing his film career by appearing at "events", lounging at poolside, and sipping lattes from his comfy chair at Starbucks.

You'd think someone with an agenda so crucial to the country would be out trying to gain support from the engineering departments at Stanford, MIT, and Georgia Tech. Or talking to representatives from the airline pilots union. Or making presentations to the membership of ASCE. You think he'd actually be focused on gathering some actual evidence to support his case.

But he's doing none of that, because he there's no evidence for him to gather. Instead he's acting like the propagandist that he is, and his own blog is proof of that in black and white.

 

[Pardalis]

If you ever want to find out just what Loose Change means to Dylan Avery, all you've got to do is read his blog. It's all about advancing his film career by appearing at "events", lounging at poolside, and sipping lattes from his comfy chair at Starbucks.

You'd think someone with an agenda so crucial to the country would be out trying to gain support from the engineering departments at Stanford, MIT, and Georgia Tech. Or talking to representatives from the airline pilots union. Or making presentations to the membership of ASCE. You think he'd actually be focused on gathering some actual evidence to support his case.

But he's doing none of that, because he there's no evidence for him to gather. Instead he's acting like the propagandist that he is, and his own blog is proof of that in black and white.

He's got his eyes on directing "The Da Vinci's Code II: The Return"

 

[Mr. Skinny]

I am now!
And we all saw the alleged "fire suppressing" foam in pictures of the pentagon crash! Are we really meant to believe that the Fire Fighters (employed by the government) put it there?

Brodski, I'm sure I've missed the original source of "fire suppressin" foam so I'm not sure what you're refering to, sorry.

Anyhow, Fire Depts. do have AFFF (Aqueous Film Forming Foam) for flam. liquid fires.

Come on, what have I missed?

 

[DavidJames]

He's got his eyes on directing "The Da Vinci's Code II: The Controlled demolition"

Fixed your post.