Loose Change

[Gravy]

It should have been known that Rumsfeld had an appointment to meet with congress leaders for breakfast/CIA briefing. So why did it take so long to inform him that America was under attack? Why did they wait until 40 minutes after the WTC attacks to inform him that pentagon had been struck? Something just don't fly.

Um, Rumsfeld was in the Pentagon when it was struck at 9:38.

 

[Manny]

Manny...do you remember the daily shoving matches between firefighters and the police at ground zero because the firefighters were ordered to keep out of the rubble zone?

Yes I do. I remember when they happened, why, that they weren't daily and that it wasn't because they were ordered to keep out of the rubble zone. You obviously don't.

Do you deny that there were regular joe firefighters and cops on the rubble pile in the days and months following the terrorist attacks? Where did that picture of the firefighter in front of the cut column come from?

 

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

It should have been known that Rumsfeld had an appointment to meet with congress leaders for breakfast/CIA briefing. So why did it take so long to inform him that America was under attack? Why did they wait until 40 minutes after the WTC attacks to inform him that pentagon had been struck? Something just don't fly.

I've been wondering what was going through Bush's mind that morning. He walked into the classroom 10 minutes after north tower was struck. He was going through photo op when the south tower was struck. Andy Card walked into the classroom to inform him that america was under attack then walked out right away without waiting for Bush's response. Bush just sat there with his poker face for another god knows how long. It wasn't the pet goat fiasco that I find most disturbing about his (in)actions. It was the fact that he comfortably slept in his own bed in the WHite House later that night knowing that some crazy jihadists had killed thousands of people without fearing that his own life may be in danger. WTF...?!!!

Manny...do you remember the daily shoving matches between firefighters and the police at ground zero because the firefighters were ordered to keep out of the rubble zone?

I've been wondering what goes through your mind on a daily basis. You post disinformation, uncited information, unrelated information, wild conjecture, and refuse to approach the issue in a logical, rational manner.

 

[aggle-rithm]

Didn't you just said he ran out ?

He doesn't even read his own posts.

 

[Dr Adequate]

Some quotations which pretty much speak for themselves :

Overwhelming demand for a competitive two-year fixed-rate mortgage from Lambeth building society forced the lender to pull the deal just a day after its launch.
http://money.independent.co.uk/personal_finance/invest_save/article352109.ece


If everything goes along as planned, the deal will likely close within 45 to 60 days, during which there will be periods of intense negotiation and stretches where the seller will need to simply wait for one or more of the capital providers to complete their due diligence and internal review processes. If not, the seller will accept a backup offer or simply pull the deal until market conditions improve.
http://www.ironwoodcap.com/about_news_primer.htm


Tribek initially submitted plans for the project in February, but pulled the plan when planners said certain aspects would need to be changed for it to be approved.
http://www.bizjournals.com/triad/stories/2004/06/14/story7.html


Now all of a sudden they want to sniff around and find some secret deal that Bush made with the ports people to pull the deal.
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/eibessential/theperfect/an_american_embarrassment_.guest.html


At least they had sense enough to pull the "Operation Iraqi Liberation" bit and go with "Operation Iraqi Freedom" before that first one got outta the bag.
http://aofg.blogs.com/the_airing_of_grievances/2005/07/say_gwot.html


Now the divorce is taking center stage. They threaten to pull the mission because of a divorce? Man, weird. Couldn't they think of a better plot point than that? You know what this reminds me of? It reminds me of the time when I told you about the hippies talking in Cardboard Control about pulling the mission. It's a lot like that. The hippies must be Catholic, because they're very adverse to anyone being divorced before landing on the Red Planet.
http://www.lightsoutfilms.com/film_escapefrommars.html


Instead of exerting diplomatic pressure and political pressure to get the thing sorted out, they made this threat to the Rwandans that if they did not install a broad-based transitional government, that the international community was going to wash its hands and possibly pull the mission.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/ghosts/interviews/beardsley.html


BellSouth apparently pulled an offer to donate a building to house the city's police force, which has been operating from makeshift quarters since Hurricane Katrina. According to city officials, the head of the telco's regional operation rescinded the offer after municipal officials said they would offer free Wi-Fi to emergency workers, businesses and residents in the city. The phone company denies that it pulled the offer.
http://www.itbusinessedge.com/item/?ci=12198


Institutional investors attacked the scheme as excessive and Misys pulled the plan.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/executivepay/story/0,,1671849,00.html


"If there's no reduction in congestion, then you'd have to decide one of two things: is that because the charge isn't high enough or is there some fundamental flaw," he said. "If there's a fundamental flaw, then you'd most probably pull the scheme."
http://www.blacklondon.org.uk/news/2002/20020805a.htm


At the meeting, Mr Djanogly and County Councillor Silby expressed their extreme disappointment about the withdrawal of the scheme ... The Agency indicated that the decision to pull the scheme had been twofold.
http://www.jonathandjanogly.com/record.jsp?type=release&ID=70


Despite repeated efforts to dispel union fears, the governor eventually chose to pull the plan, putting the issue on hold.
http://www.heartland.org/Article.cfm?artId=18747


He finally met up with the local contact, Cao Bao (Julia Nickson). He tried to rescue one, but was abandoned at the pickup point when the CIA guy pulled the mission.
http://www.shopping.com/xPR-Rambo_First_Blood_Pt_2_Sylvester_Stallone~RD-68933684868


San Jose Water Company announced Dec. 20 that it will withdraw its plan to log redwoods and Douglas firs in 1,002 acres of its watershed in the hills above Los Gatos. Based on comments made by the California Department of Forestry about the Non-Industrial Timber Management Plan submitted by the water company, and reviewed by the California Department of Forestry, the company felt it was best to withdraw the application,
http://www.svcn.com/archives/lgwt/20051228/lgnews1.shtml


We were smart enough to pull the plan before building anything. We pulled the plug on construction plans in early Spring 2001.
http://news.com.com/2009-1082-827946.html


Netscape denied that feedback received in the past few days had anything to do with the project's being frozen ... Participants in those discussions were split on Netscape's decision to pull the project.
http://news.com.com/2100-1023-224779.html


They advertised the asking price as $169, when the retail price at similar retailers was $500. Several thousand people, including many members of the Anandtech web forums immediately ordered the monitor through buy.com. At that time, Buy.com's business practice was to charge the credit cards before the item was shipped. When Buy.com discovered the price mistake, it immediately pulled the deal and made additional charges on the credit cards of the buyers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buy.com

Now, will some CT show me where "pull" means "destroy by controlled demolition" rather than "withdraw, cancel, abandon, give up on, abort"?

 

[aggle-rithm]

Some people here have expressed concerns that the Loosers may actually be helping Bin Laden this way, wittingly or not.

Do they do anything wittingly?

 

[geggy]

Arkan...funny I was thinking the same about you.

Belz...what do you mean? He ran out after being told about the pentagon attack, not the WTC attacks.

 

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Arkan...funny I was thinking the same about you.

Belz...what do you mean? He ran out after being told about the pentagon attack, not the WTC attacks.

Oh? Please, do elaborate. Provide some edification for my, apparently, confused mind.

 

[aggle-rithm]

It should have been known that Rumsfeld had an appointment to meet with congress leaders for breakfast/CIA briefing. So why did it take so long to inform him that America was under attack? Why did they wait until 40 minutes after the WTC attacks to inform him that pentagon had been struck? Something just don't fly.

Maybe it was the Congressional leaders that were left out of the loop, and Rumsfeld was just collateral damage.

I've been wondering what was going through Bush's mind that morning. He walked into the classroom 10 minutes after north tower was struck. He was going through photo op when the south tower was struck. Andy Card walked into the classroom to inform him that america was under attack then walked out right away without waiting for Bush's response. Bush just sat there with his poker face for another god knows how long.

He was probably waiting for someone to bring him a fresh pair of undies.

It wasn't the pet goat fiasco that I find most disturbing about his (in)actions. It was the fact that he comfortably slept in his own bed in the WHite House later that night

??? You actually have sources that tell you how comfortably Pres. Bush slept on a certain night? This I gotta see!

knowing that some crazy jihadists had killed thousands of people without fearing that his own life may be in danger. WTF...?!!!

What exactly did he have to be afraid of? The hijackers were all dead. The military was on high alert. ALL airline traffic had been grounded. At this point in American history, anyone who LOOKED at the White House the wrong way would probably be immediately arrested. There probably wasn't a safer person in the world that night than the President.

Manny...do you remember the daily shoving matches between firefighters and the police at ground zero because the firefighters were ordered to keep out of the rubble zone?

Ahh, memories....

 

[rwguinn]

Do they do anything wittingly?

50%if them think so....

 

[Ramooone]

Um, Rumsfeld was in the Pentagon when it was struck at 9:38.

which is another good point. if they planned this attack do you think rumsfeld would even show up to work that day?

If i was in that situation and someone said to me "we're planning this huge attack on the pentagon, alot of people are going to die, but you'll be ok cause you're on the other side of the building" would you still go into work? i woulndt trust that crap with how many things that can go wrong.

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

which is another good point. if they planned this attack do you think rumsfeld would even show up to work that day?

If i was in that situation and someone said to me "we're planning this huge attack on the pentagon, alot of people are going to die, but you'll be ok cause you're on the other side of the building" would you still go into work? i woulndt trust that crap with how many things that can go wrong.

Didn't Hanjour fudge his first attack run and have to come around and hit the other side?

If Hanjour nailed it on his first attempt, wouldn't Rumsfeld have been among the first to die?

 

[Regnad Kcin]

It should have been known that Rumsfeld had an appointment to meet with congress leaders for breakfast/CIA briefing. (1) So why did it take so long to inform him that America was under attack? (2) Why did they wait until 40 minutes after the WTC attacks to inform him that pentagon had been struck? Something just don't fly.

(3) I've been wondering what was going through Bush's mind that morning. He walked into the classroom 10 minutes after north tower was struck. He was going through photo op when the south tower was struck. Andy Card walked into the classroom to inform him that america was under attack then walked out right away without waiting for Bush's response. Bush just sat there with his poker face for another god knows how long. It wasn't the pet goat fiasco that I find most disturbing about his (in)actions. It was the fact that he comfortably slept in his own bed in the WHite House later that night knowing that some crazy jihadists had killed thousands of people without fearing that his own life may be in danger. (4) WTF...?!!!

(5) Manny...do you remember the daily shoving matches between firefighters and the police at ground zero because the firefighters were ordered to keep out of the rubble zone?

Numbers added by me.

Little friend, as it has been mentioned to you once or twice, questions are not evidence. However, since you seem so fond of them, here once again are a couple:

- What do you do for a living?

- What is your I.Q.?

 

[Pardalis]

It wasn't until several minutes later, when flight 77 hit the Pentagon, that he went into "action," which consisted of seeing if he could help with rescue efforts...an understandable "human" reaction, but not exactly what I'd expect the number 2 commander in the U.S. to do.

Yeah, I remember seeing pictures of him running on the Pentagon lawn with injured personnel.

 

[Pardalis]

It was the fact that he comfortably slept in his own bed in the WHite House later that night knowing that some crazy jihadists had killed thousands of people without fearing that his own life may be in danger. WTF...?!!!

YOU DON'T KNOW THAT!

I saw him cry on national TV on september 13th.

edited to remove bad link

 

[Pardalis]

Yet even in the 30 minute appearance that was shown on al-jazeera like 3 moths after 911 and which the most CT:s agree is "real" he praises the attackers and encourages to Jihad. And still some CT:s say "Osama is innocent" and the "confession tape" is fake. If it is not real Osama in the tape then what are he's sons doing in it?


Peace

Yeah, and no conspiracist can't deny now, with the great footage you have shown of OBL, that he does write with his right hand, speaks and gestures with his right hand, and has at multiple times a ring on his finger. I really don't see how they can deny that... Geggy?

Peace to you too Karim

 

[Pardalis]

http://flight77.info/old.htm[/url]

If you can debunk one of the conspiracist very own theories, can't you at least admit they might be wrong as well with all the other theories?

BTW, you haven't responded to my previous post. Let me re-ask the question:

Do you have any evidence that there was a controlled-demolition-that-didn't-look-like-a-normal-demolition-so-that-it-would-look-like-a-collapse-from-the-top-but-wasn't?

How does a fake-collapse-from-the-top-style-controlled-demolition work exactly?

 

[Belz...]

It should have been known that Rumsfeld had an appointment to meet with congress leaders for breakfast/CIA briefing. So why did it take so long to inform him that America was under attack? Why did they wait until 40 minutes after the WTC attacks to inform him that pentagon had been struck? Something just don't fly.

And you have a hard time understanding that this doesn't mean there's a conspiracy.

It was the fact that he comfortably slept in his own bed in the WHite House later that night knowing that some crazy jihadists had killed thousands of people without fearing that his own life may be in danger. WTF...?!!!

How do you know he slept comfortably ? In fact, how do you know he slept at all ?

Manny...do you remember the daily shoving matches between firefighters and the police at ground zero because the firefighters were ordered to keep out of the rubble zone?

Irrelevant to his question.

 

[Belz...]

He doesn't even read his own posts.

Actually, I was just poking him with my proverbial cattle prod. He meant he ran out when informed of the pentagon attack. I'm just pulling his chain. I know that he meant the WTC attack.

Points to Gravy, though. I forgot that Rummy was IN the pentagon when the plane struck.

 

[Belz...]

Belz...what do you mean? He ran out after being told about the pentagon attack, not the WTC attacks.

Well at least you're lucid enough to see through my petty little scheme.

But Gravy's right. He was INSIDE THE PENTAGON. So obviously, he must've heard something, and not 40 minutes after. The building's not THAT big.