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WildCat said:
This pic, taken almost immediately after impact, shows all you need to know the stupidity of the missile theory. Unless there's a missile that starts fires the wingspan of a 757.
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The person's black bag on the left looks suspicious, any thoughts on it geggy?
 
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Shrinker said:
Hey Mr Degree in Imaging Technology, did your tutors teach you about what happens when your camera shakes? In case they didn't: when the camera shakes, it kinda look like the objects you're photographing are shaking. Amazing huh?
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Wait a minute....

You mean the Enterprise bridge wasn't REALLY shaking when it was hit by photon torpedoes?!?

I gotta sit down...
 
I read the recent post regarding some at LC finally considering their lack of support among structural engineers.

Has anyone else found this line of argument successful?

I'm trying to work my position down into a short one- or two-line response so as to be able to respond aggressively when certain CT nutters start their nonsense without getting drawn into a never ending game of move the goal posts that will only give the CTers a platform and maybe look like they actually know something to others sitting around the table.

I'm thinking of something like this:

"Not one licensed structural engineer in the entire world agrees with your kooky 'inside job' conspiracy theory."

But I'm open to other suggestions. What facts or line of reasoning seems most successful in bringing people back from the edge? Or is it, as I suspect, always a point by point by point process?
 
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geggy said:
:rolleyes

Read this...

http://www.911blogger.com/files/Com5May.html
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One alleged letter from structural engineer who isn't named and another claimed structural engineer who in the quotes identifies themselves as a civil engineer.

Pathetic

By the way, are you ever going answer me:

geggy said:
The top portion broke into pieces as it fell into the ring of dust, there couldn't have been enough weight for the top to force down the floors below.
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DavidJames said:
How much weight was there pushing down. How much weight would have been necessary, show your work.
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geggy said:
If you think the top portion was the reason for forcing the floors below down, then then why didnt the top part pause it's movement even for a millisecond if it was to force the weight down? The top just fell straight down and smoothly that is.
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DavidJames said:
What evidence, other then a video, do you have that that there was no pause and how much of a pause should there have been, please provide, from a structural engineering perspective the analysis which supports your conclusion.
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dubfan said:
I'm over at the LC forums debating with someone about the "missing" people on Flight 77. After lengthy argument, the Loosers have convinced me. I've come to the conclusion that after leaving the airport, government agents forced Flight 77 to land, the people were taken off of it, and were loaded onto a flying object SHAPED IDENTICALLY to a 757 which was cleverly constructed to have exactly the same mass, energy, and aerodynamic properties as an actual 757.

Put THAT in your pipe and smoke it, skeptics.
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:cool: :cool: I'd LOVE to see their timeline for that.
 
geggy said:
:rolleyes

Read this...

http://www.911blogger.com/files/Com5May.html

You all also need to look seriously into this timeline of the sept 11 commission...

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/...investigations:_a_detailed_look=911Commission
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pg. 288
... Through vast experience they know, fairly quickly, which new ideas stand a chance of succeeding and which are obviously wrong. Newcomers from other fields, who typically dive in with both feet without the requisite training and experience, proceed to generate new ideas that they think - because of their success in their own field - will be revolutionary. Instead, they are usually greeted with disdain (or, more typically, simply ignored) by the professionals in the field. This is not because (as they usually think is the reason) insiders don't like outsiders (or that all revolutionaries are persecuted or ignored), but because in most cases those ideas were considered years or decades before and rejected for perfectly legitimate reasons.
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- Why People Believe Weird Things Michael Shermer
 
Pardalis said:
Somebody owes me a kitten pic.:D
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My kitten, before he grew into the big cat w/ saber teeth you see in my avatar. :D

payton07.jpg
 
geggy said:
I understand completely what you're saying but WTC may have been imploded in a different way to make it look like the structure of the building was failing...
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Pardalis said:
If I understand your logic, the WTC collapses, wich looked like controlled demolitions to you, really were controlled demolitions made to look like structural failings, AKA collapses?:confused: :boggled: :boggled: :boggled: :boggled:

Can't you see how you're distorting everything?
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geggy, can you at least acknowledge that your logic makes no sense what so ever? That you are so adamant at believing that there is a conspiracy, you even contradict your very own claims? For crying out loud, at least acknowledge it!

Admitting one has been wrong isn't going to make you less of a man, mistakes and errors are what makes us learn, it's part of the process.
 
An update on the Loosers, it looks like they'be block-banned my general IP address. Too bad for anyone else from my ISP wanting to check out the Loose Change forums. ;)

I guess I scared the poor little preciouses.

Needless to say, there are ways and means. I won't go into detail because I know the Loosers read this thread. But I'll be right back there... if I'm not back already. :)
 
Kevin_Lowe said:
An update on the Loosers, it looks like they'be block-banned my general IP address. Too bad for anyone else from my ISP wanting to check out the Loose Change forums. ;)

I guess I scared the poor little preciouses.

Needless to say, there are ways and means. I won't go into detail because I know the Loosers read this thread. But I'll be right back there... if I'm not back already. :)
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Bwahahaha! I've posting there as "Zor" for a while now, and can't seem to get myself banned no matter how stupid my comments are.
 
Ha, after several days with no resonse to the posting of Ben Chertoff's email explaining he is not related to Micheal Chertoff, and what his mother really said ('he might be a cousin', not 'he is a cousin'), one of the Loosers has finally come up with a rebuttle:

Yeh, right...
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Man, I was hoping the first come back would at least include some sort of paranoid ranting about payoffs and government coverups.
 
Gravy, that's mean. I bet you aren't Zor at all, you're just trying to get poor Zor banned by saying you are Zor.
 
Pardalis said:
geggy, can you at least acknowledge that your logic makes no sense what so ever? That you are so adamant at believing that there is a conspiracy, you even contradict your very own claims? For crying out loud, at least acknowledge it!

Admitting one has been wrong isn't going to make you less of a man, mistakes and errors are what makes us learn, it's part of the process.
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Forget it, you're wasting your time. Someone earlier in the thread had it right -- this is a religion for these people.

The "globalists", "neocons", and "Bush" are the unholy trinity, Alex Jones is God, and Dylan Avery is his prophet.

Arguing with them is JUST like arguing with a religious fundamentalist. They resort to the same arguments, the same defenses, and they have the same emotional attachments to their beliefs. They're even going thru sectarian strife and the process of sorting out which of their holy scriptures (CT websites) are canon, and which are heretical.
 
Kevin_Lowe said:
An update on the Loosers, it looks like they'be block-banned my general IP address.
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Are you sure? That seems like something that would be harder to do and less effective. I bet they are just using the cookie stored on your browser to identify you. Delete the cookie and try again.
 
Kevin_Lowe said:
Gravy, that's mean. I bet you aren't Zor at all, you're just trying to get poor Zor banned by saying you are Zor.
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I was joking. I'm sure you can't have a duplicate screen name. Anyway, my imagination isn't good enough to come up with the stuff he does. It doesn't hurt to put the idea out there though. They're so paranoid, they may ban him as a precaution.
 
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