Loose Change

[kookbreaker]

Chertoff relations is bs or not...popular mechanics is still affiliated with the us government.

According to you, National Geogrpahic is aaffiliated with the government. What next? Highlights?

DO you ever read their magazines?

Yes. Unlike you, apparently.

They'd usually cover and review fighter jets and weaponry machines.

They also cover muscle cars, SUVs, powerboats, rockets, engineering projects, woodworking products, space projects (of all nations), gadgets, gimmicks, etc. etc.

You are so far off base it isn't funny.

 

[WildCat]

Chertoff relations is bs or not...popular mechanics is still affiliated with the us government. DO you ever read their magazines? They'd usually cover and review fighter jets and weaponry machines.

So now any media that writes about the military is "affiliated" w/ the government? Bizarre and strange, but mostly paranoid.

 

[kookbreaker]

BTW I e-mailed Ben Chertoff at Popular Mechanics to get confirmation on something written about earlier.

HE IS NOT RELATED TO MICHAEL CHERTOFF (Secretary of Homeland Security)!

He wrote:
"Not cousins, brothers, father, or son."

This a very common myth supported by the CT crowd, and a major debunking point for the PM article. I was willing to believe they might be related (even though it really didn't effect the facts of the article), but still wanted to hear it from a better source.

You might want to pass that along to your pals, geggy.

Well done CptColumbo. You found yet another lie of the CT'ers.

 

[kookbreaker]

So now any media that writes about the military is "affiliated" w/ the government? Bizarreand strange, but mostly paranoid.

There are several popular magazines that deal exclusively with military hardware. Just see how 'affiliated' they are with the government when a Democratic administration is in power.

There aren't enough rolleyes for Geggy's nonsense.

 

[Manny]

According to you, National Geogrpahic is aaffiliated with the government. What next? Highlights?

Goofus engages in a massive murder conspiracy and coverup for reasons unknown. Gallant is a faithful representative of the people.

 

[juryjone]

According to you, National Geogrpahic is aaffiliated with the government. What next? Highlights?

Of course - the Timbertoes are all globalists!

And son't get me started on Goofus and Gallant. Ever notice how they resemble a young GWB?

ETA: manny, you were just too quick for me. That's not saying much...

 

[Pardalis]

The NIST also manipulated and downsized the columns core in their desperated attempt to make pancaking theory sound more plausible.

Let me ask you this. If you acknoledge this to be a possibility, would it be also possible, if you remain objective, that the Conspiracy theorists might be doing the same thing and manipulated facts to make their theories?

Well?

You are so far off base it isn't funny.

Geggy stopped being funny the minute he started talking about Hitler and the nazis.

 

[chipmunk stew]

The building implosion was also to maximize Silverstein's profit.

How much profit did he make?
Find out how much his insurance policy covered.
Then subtract the lost revenue in lease contracts.
Then subtract rebuilding costs and increased insurance costs.
How much profit do you suppose he made?
Do you suppose it was worth the risk?

 

[chipmunk stew]

According to you, National Geogrpahic is aaffiliated with the government. What next? Highlights?

Get 'em young, I like to say.

 

[pgwenthold]

According to you, National Geogrpahic is aaffiliated with the government. What next? Highlights?

Where do you think they came up with Goofus and Gallant?

(I guess it was just too obvious of a joke)

How about this one then:

Of course it is. Why do you think that the government has the "hidden items" in the tower pictures? Can you find the soup ladel? How about the top? And the yo-yo...

 

[Regnad Kcin]

Of course - the Timbertoes are all globalists!

They kinda look French to me.

 

[aggle-rithm]

From my point of view, sept 11 was staged as PSYOP to maximize shock and to juice up the adrenaline/emotional meter to a full scale.

It WAS a "PSYOP", designed by al Qaeda to scare the hell out of people. That's what terrorism is for.

I thought the attack in NYC itself was very hollywood style, except for the fact it was real.

EXACTLY the way it was planned! al Qaeda was essentially putting on a big show to scare the Americans and give the sickos back home something to cheer about.

That's why I've never been particularly worried about terrorist attacks against water supplies or computer networks. It wouldn't serve their purposes because it's not visually stunning enough.

The building implosion was also to maximize Silverstein's profit.

This reminds me of the Austin Powers movie where Dr. Evil tried to extort a million dollars from the government, only to be told that the profits from his legitimate businesses pulled in more than that on a regular basis.

If Silverstein wanted a profit, the last thing he would do is destroy one of the biggest money-makers in the world, millions of square feet of office space in the middle of one of the most lucrative markets in history. How much revenue has he lost in the last five years? How much is it costing him to rebuild? I don't know for sure, but I would guess there are much easier and more efficient ways to earn a profit.

But that is only from my point of view as i believe the buildings were deliberately imploded.

Here we reach the crux of the matter. If you're REALLY interested in the truth, then don't filter everything you see and hear through your preconceived beliefs. It's much better to change your point of view in response to reality than to insist reality has got it wrong because it doesn't share your point of view.

 

[Regnad Kcin]

By the way, geggy, for the ninth time:

What do you do for a living?

 

[Ramooone]

ive been playing cathup on this thread but i thought of another problem with the CTer's

They claim that the FAA and NORAD weren't dispatched fast enough or were on hold whatever they say. Now, lets say hypothetically they weren't and were able to intercept one of the planes, then the CTer's would be complaining that "the govt shot down a passenger plane and theres no indication there were terrorists on board, they must have been covering it up by shooting it down" Thats scenario never happened, but i do believe the CTer's would respond in that way.

 

[Pardalis]

It's much better to change your point of view in response to reality than to insist reality has got it wrong because it doesn't share your point of view.

That is superb. Well put

 

[Pardalis]

Thats scenario never happened, but i do believe the CTer's would respond in that way.

The Truth movement is asking the GOVERNMENT to start a new investigation. Who is to say, if the government actually agrees and do it, the CT will be satisfied?

And who is to say that if the FBI finally releases the pentagon tapes, they won't think the tapes were altered?

 

[aggle-rithm]

...popular mechanics is still affiliated with the us government.....

... the plane flew right directly toward the center of the north tower....

...The north tower columns core at the impact hole were only half thick of the columns core in the imapct hole of the south tower...

...The NIST also manipulated and downsized the columns core in their desperated attempt to make pancaking theory sound more plausible....

....judging the size of the "inferno" and the color of the smoke billowing the towers, the heat was not as severe as the 1975 fire which came to 700 degrees c and was more intense....

....building implosion was also to maximize Silverstein's profit....

geggy,

What do all of the above segments have in common? They are all assertions that are not backed up by evidence. The only one that comes close is the one in which you admit that you are "judging" the heat of the fire based on size and smoke color, something you are probably not qualified to do.

Here's a tip: Whenever you state a belief, say IMMEDIATELY why you believe it's true. This will save time, because, as you may have noticed, you are ALWAYS asked to provide evidence for these claims.

In contrast, the following statement:

i believe the buildings were deliberately imploded.

Is absolutely true. It's not a fact, but a belief, and you said so. Bravo! Let's see more of that in the future, shall we?

 

[CptColumbo]

Oh my god, are you serious? That was one deception I hadn't even considered, since his being Michael's cousin seemed so irrelevant. The depths to which they'll stoop...

I hadn't considered it relevant either, but there seemed to be a lack of consensus as to what the relation was. I figured it couldn't be to hard to check out. I also figured it would be easier to ask Ben Chertoff than Michael Chertoff.

Geggy the only other thing he wrote was "I'm not related to Michael Chertoff." That and what I wrote above was the whole thing and answered the question I asked.

I also invited him to join us here. Hopefully he will, to lend his expertise.

 

[Pardalis]

Once you get caught in the paranoid mechanism, it's difficult to get out of it. It's a mechanism that will only push you further into psychosis. For your own good geggy, don't go back to these CT sites and concentrate on what's important, your life, your daughter.

You have plenty of reasons to dislike the Bush administration, you are absolutely intitled to your opinion. Nobody is going to keep that right away from you, not even the government itself. But don't combine political opinion with belief in an alternate reality. It's a bad mix, a drug that will only do you harm.

 

[aggle-rithm]

The Truth movement is asking the GOVERNMENT to start a new investigation. Who is to say, if the government actually agrees and do it, the CT will be satisfied?

And who is to say that if the FBI finally releases the pentagon tapes, they won't think the tapes were altered?

That's like telling your waitress, "The cook did a terrible job on my hamburger. Have him make me another one!"

Maybe the "Truthers" should take their business elsewhere?