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i really enjoy how all the CT'ers talk about how corrupt the government is and how evil the government is for planning and executing 9/11. yet, all the CT'ers still trust the gov. to inspect our meats and crops(usda) they still pay their taxes im sure, they still obey the laws. i mean, if everything is so corrupt how can you trust the government to be doing anything for you? i mean, if they planned 9/11 how do you know they arent slowly poisoning our water supply, or letting contaminated crops and meats ruin our farming industry which is already in shambles? How do you can you believe anything the government says or does?

These people think they got it bad from our government, they should go hang around darfur for a week or china or any of the other places on this earth where people are horribly oppressed/murdered for rights we take for granted.
I'm not saying some things arent screwed up over here, but in perspective to other countries we got it pretty good, and although i dont agree at all with the current administration i know im not going to get the death penalty for expressing my freedom of speech.
 
Ramooone said:
i really enjoy how all the CT'ers talk about how corrupt the government is and how evil the government is for planning and executing 9/11. yet, all the CT'ers still trust the gov. to inspect our meats and crops(usda) they still pay their taxes im sure, they still obey the laws. i mean, if everything is so corrupt how can you trust the government to be doing anything for you? i mean, if they planned 9/11 how do you know they arent slowly poisoning our water supply, or letting contaminated crops and meats ruin our farming industry which is already in shambles? How do you can you believe anything the government says or does?

These people think they got it bad from our government, they should go hang around darfur for a week or china or any of the other places on this earth where people are horribly oppressed/murdered for rights we take for granted.
I'm not saying some things arent screwed up over here, but in perspective to other countries we got it pretty good, and although i dont agree at all with the current administration i know im not going to get the death penalty for expressing my freedom of speech.
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They should try going to a foreign country and getting arrested. As they wait thirty years or so for their case to come to trial, they would have plenty of time to ponder how fortunate they have been.
 
Ramooone said:
i really enjoy how all the CT'ers talk about how corrupt the government is and how evil the government is for planning and executing 9/11. yet, all the CT'ers still trust the gov. to inspect our meats and crops(usda) they still pay their taxes im sure, they still obey the laws. i mean, if everything is so corrupt how can you trust the government to be doing anything for you? i mean, if they planned 9/11 how do you know they arent slowly poisoning our water supply, or letting contaminated crops and meats ruin our farming industry which is already in shambles? How do you can you believe anything the government says or does?

These people think they got it bad from our government, they should go hang around darfur for a week or china or any of the other places on this earth where people are horribly oppressed/murdered for rights we take for granted.
I'm not saying some things arent screwed up over here, but in perspective to other countries we got it pretty good, and although i dont agree at all with the current administration i know im not going to get the death penalty for expressing my freedom of speech.
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You're right, Ramooone. Their behavior is totally inconsistent with their beliefs. I pointed this out to them a few times, but I never got a response.

After my encounter with them, the only hypothesis I have so far that makes sense is that deep down, they don't actually believe what they're saying. It's just a fun game. It's fantasy or roleplaying. G.I. Joe for adults.
 
delphi_ote said:
You're right, Ramooone. Their behavior is totally inconsistent with their beliefs. I pointed this out to them a few times, but I never got a response.

After my encounter with them, the only hypothesis I have so far that makes sense is that deep down, they don't actually believe what they're saying. It's just a fun game. It's fantasy or roleplaying. G.I. Joe for adults.
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I've had similar conversations with CT folks and I've come to the same conclusion. If I honestly believed a tenth of what they say about the government were true, I'd take up arms. I sure as hell wouldn't be paying taxes or logging onto the internet to leave a record of who I was for that evil government to track me down when I exposed its nefarious deeds.

Ironically, however, I once had a conversation with a die hard CTer about social security that went
like this:

Him: The "government" is conspiring to take social security away from us. We can't let that happen, man!

Me: Wait. You believe the government murdered 3,000 Americans but still trust it to run your retirement?

Him: That's different. It's not the same people.

Me: WTF?!
 
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delphi_ote said:
You're right, Ramooone. Their behavior is totally inconsistent with their beliefs. I pointed this out to them a few times, but I never got a response.

After my encounter with them, the only hypothesis I have so far that makes sense is that deep down, they don't actually believe what they're saying. It's just a fun game. It's fantasy or roleplaying. G.I. Joe for adults.
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You've reminded me to ask if their theory is even a theory? Could it still be only a hypothesis?
 
CptColumbo said:
You've reminded me to ask if their theory is even a theory? Could it still be only a hypothesis?
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It's technically a hypothesis in the technical sense... and maybe not even that (being that it doesn't account for most data available and the "researchers" don't seem to have any eye toward actually testing the thing. If I could choose a new noun phrase for everyone to use to describe this phenomina, it would be "conspiracy claim." That's much more precise.)

But since they're so far removed from science, I don't see any reason to be too careful about using "theory" in the casual sense of the word.
 
delphi_ote said:
It's technically a hypothesis in the technical sense... and maybe not even that (being that it doesn't account for most data available and the "researchers" don't seem to have any eye toward actually testing the thing. If I could choose a new noun phrase for everyone to use to describe this phenomina, it would be "conspiracy claim." That's much more precise.)

But since they're so far removed from science, I don't see any reason to be too careful about using "theory" in the casual sense of the word.
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I would never accuse a CT of using the wrong term, :) I just like to keep information like that handy. ;)
 
Thanks.

I've just found out that one of my neighbors is hooked on the 9/11 ct's.
I've just been arguing with him for the past hour and a half about this, thank god I was using my laptop to use this thread (and others) to rebut his specific points.
I didn't convince him of anything however, he claimed that what was important was his gut feeling, and as "no-one can ever know anything for certain" evidence was secondary. :rolleyes:
but thanks for a great resource. :D
 
shuize said:
I've had similar conversations with CT folks and I've come to the same conclusion. If I honestly believed a tenth of what they say about the government were true, I'd take up arms. I sure as hell wouldn't be paying taxes or logging onto the internet to leave a record of who I was for that evil government to track me down when I exposed its nefarious deeds.

Ironically, however, I once had a conversation with a die hard CTer about social security that went
like this:

Him: The "government" is conspiring to take social security away from us. We can't let that happen, man!

Me: Wait. You believe the government murdered 3,000 Americans but still trust it to run your retirement?

Him: That's different. It's not the same people.

Me: WTF?!
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I know some people who regularly complain about the amount of control the US government currently has yet they're all for completely socializing medicine here in the states.

"Government has too much power over us. So let's give them another way to control our lives." :eye-poppi
 
brodski said:
I've just found out that one of my neighbors is hooked on the 9/11 ct's.
I've just been arguing with him for the past hour and a half about this, thank god I was using my laptop to use this thread (and others) to rebut his specific points.
I didn't convince him of anything however, he claimed that what was important was his gut feeling, and as "no-one can ever know anything for certain" evidence was secondary. :rolleyes:
but thanks for a great resource. :D
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I am dying to run into some 9/11 theorist just so I can whoop up on him or her with my JREF-fu.

"Your logic-defying, free-fall Tiger technique is no match for my structural engineer stance."
 
brodski said:
I've just found out that one of my neighbors is hooked on the 9/11 ct's.
I've just been arguing with him for the past hour and a half about this, thank god I was using my laptop to use this thread (and others) to rebut his specific points.
I didn't convince him of anything however, he claimed that what was important was his gut feeling, and as "no-one can ever know anything for certain" evidence was secondary. :rolleyes:
but thanks for a great resource. :D
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Unfortunately, he'll be on a jury some day. :(
 
senorpogo said:
I am dying to run into some 9/11 theorist just so I can whoop up on him or her with my JREF-fu.

"Your logic-defying, free-fall Tiger technique is no match for my structural engineer stance."
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the trouble is, they just learn the mantra "there's too many unanswered questions".
RANT! OF COURSE THERE ARE UNANSWERED QUESTIONS, THERE ALWAYS IS IN REAL LIFE, WE CAN NEVER KNOW EVERY LITTLE DETAIL, BUT WE KNOW ENOUGH TO KNOW PRETTY MUCH WHAT HAPPENED.


sorry for shouting.
 
manny said:
I'll play the optimist here and say that I hope it's mine! :D
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unless you are planning a crime spree in north London, I doubt he will be.

Are you planning a crime spree in north London? :p

Mind you I'm sure you could find twelve idiots where you live, I mean they're hardly a scarce resource world wide, are they? :(
 
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