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bob_kark said:
I can't fault Newton too much for becoming a Freemason. It was a different time.
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I'm not talking about Freemasonry, I'm talking about the society he joined which believed that they communicated with angles, and could turn themselves invisible.
 
brodski said:
From the link

Well, I guess "homosexual black equalists" couldn't possibly be anti-semtic whackjobs!
And who teh hell refer to tehmslevs as a "homosexual black equalist" anyway? What is an "equalist"?
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You didn't read the bottom line on that page, did you? Don't feel bad. I didn't either until someone pointed it out to me. :D
 
Sultanist said:
You didn't read the bottom line on that page, did you? Don't feel bad. I didn't either until someone pointed it out to me. :D
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:blush:

In my defense though, there is still no clear indication that it must be a parody, although they do link to TimeCube as evidence for their theory. :jaw-dropp
That site is no more bat_guano than many other 9/11 "truth" websites.
 
brodski said:
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In my defense though, there is still no clear indication that it must be a parody, although they do link to TimeCube as evidence for their theory. :jaw-dropp
That site is no more bat_guano than many other 9/11 "truth" websites.
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I wasn't quite sure either - parody or reality. Like you said, it's no more crazy than some "legitimate" sites.

My favorite part is...

* 4000 Israelis/Jews didn't show up for work at the WTC, based on hints from Shabak, according to Arab diplomatic sources. The US knows this.
* Sharon was prevented by Shabak from travelling to New York for an un-named "festival" by un-named "Zionist organizations".
* The FBI arrested 5 Israelis four hours after the WTC attack

The line of reasoning sounds eerily familar of most CT sites.
 
brodski said:
I'm not talking about Freemasonry, I'm talking about the society he joined which believed that they communicated with angles, and could turn themselves invisible.
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Ok, I forced myself to not make a joke about communicating with angles...

Anyway, most scientific research in Newton's era was fiction rather than fact. Alchemy was considered a valid science. There was no scientific method. Its easy to state today that no one can turn invisible. In his time, it could be considered a possibility. Properties of light weren't as well understood as they are now. Anyway, I find it hard to judge people living in the past for having illogical ideas, we're standing on their shoulders.

ETC: I can judge their ideas, but not the people for having them simply because they lived in a time when they were considered credible.
 
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bob_kark said:
Ok, I forced myself to not make a joke about communicating with angles...

Anyway, most scientific research in Newton's era was fiction rather than fact. Alchemy was considered a valid science. There was no scientific method. Its easy to state today that no one can turn invisible. In his time, it could be considered a possibility. Properties of light weren't as well understood as they are now. Anyway, I find it hard to judge people living in the past for having illogical ideas, we're standing on their shoulders.

ETC: I can judge their ideas, but not the people for having them simply because they lived in a time when they were considered credible.
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I'm not criticizing Newton for believing the stuff he did, but he is the perfect example of how someone can use hard, unerring, reason in one endeavor, and then throw critical thinking out of the window when it comes to other issues, there are more modern examples, but as we where talking about a physicist, I though newton would be a good example to use. And yes I take your point that different ages have different levels of bizarre beliefs, but the point still stands- Newton was much more evidence driven when looking at the properties of light than he was when he was awaiting a "man of silver" who would teach him to "build a temple of one stone".
 
brodski said:
I'm not criticizing Newton for believing the stuff he did, but he is the perfect example of how someone can use hard, unerring, reason in one endeavor, and then throw critical thinking out of the window when it comes to other issues, there are more modern examples, but as we where talking about a physicist, I though newton would be a good example to use. And yes I take your point that different ages have different levels of bizarre beliefs, but the point still stands- Newton was much more evidence driven when looking at the properties of light than he was when he was awaiting a "man of silver" who would teach him to "build a temple of one stone".
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Sorry, I may have been a bit foggy with my reply. What I meant is that I'm not certain that it was an example of ignoring critical thinking. It seems he may have been more ignorant than foolish. But, I don't really know all of the strange beliefs he held, so I may be a bit unqualified to hold an opinion on the matter. Either way, your point is well taken. However, it does bother me that someone whose life is surrounded by reason, can take a holiday on logic so easily.
 
bob_kark said:
However, it does bother me that someone whose life is surrounded by reason, can take a holiday on logic so easily.
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It bothers me as well, it just doesn't surprise me. But what makes it worse is that Steven E Jones (not to be confused with the brilliant Steve Jones) is using the fact that he is a professor of physics as if this gives him an insight into structural engineering. He is doing is profession a serious disservice, as well as crapping on the memories of those that died on 9/11.
 
brodski said:
It bothers me as well, it just doesn't surprise me. But what makes it worse is that Steven E Jones (not to be confused with the brilliant Steve Jones) is using the fact that he is a professor of physics as if this gives him an insight into structural engineering. He is doing is profession a serious disservice, as well as crapping on the memories of those that died on 9/11.
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It seriously makes me question why BYU keeps him on the staff. Well, I suppose to BYU still owes a debt to him for attempting to show that Christ came to America.
 
bob_kark said:
I still don't understand why they feel the need to make the conspiracy so convoluted. Why not just fly a plane into the WTC and Pentagon and be done with it? Why not just use explosives to destroy either of them? What purpose is there to rig a building for the worst controlled demo on record, why even make it a controlled demo when you can just take out the support structure, fly a plane into it, wait for firefighters and police to arrive, then detonate the buildings. Then they have to wait several hours to destroy a seperate building, that wasn't hit by a plane, and raise unnesessary suspicion.

They also decide to hire witnesses to view a plane flying over the interstate in DC. They bring in wreckage from an airliner and bomb the Pentagon. Finally, they take flight 93, decide to save the lives of all the innocent civillians, which they had no concern for before, by dropping them off in Cleveland. Then recreate a crash site in Pennsylvania. Why? What exactly does this accomplish? Oh, no, wait, 93 was shot down. But why would they shoot 93 down if it was part of the conspiracy? Wouldn't it just be easier to fake a uranium purchase by Saddam if they wanted to go to war so bad?
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You should post THAT on loose change. Oh, wait. You'd get banned.

Well, you COULD take one for the team ;)

Number 1 out.
 
Belz... said:
Ooohh... they know. In fact, they know TOO much!
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They only think they do, if they only knew that I recently removed the matress tags on all of Wilson Ingle's (Santa Fe, NM) matresses and replaced them with matress tags for different beds, it would blow their mind! Not to mention that we single handedly replaced every duck in Athens Ohio with a goose. Guffaw I say! Guffaw!!
 
Believe me, the people in Athens, OH, would never notice. Much.

By the way... the reeducation of #26 is coming along quite nicely.
 
Ladies and gentlemen, it's my honor to now present to you the diabolical minds known as the Luminutty.
But do not fear. As you can see, their chief adversary is hot on their trail.


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bob_kark said:
They only think they do, if they only knew that I recently removed the matress tags on all of Wilson Ingle's (Santa Fe, NM) matresses and replaced them with matress tags for different beds, it would blow their mind! Not to mention that we single handedly replaced every duck in Athens Ohio with a goose. Guffaw I say! Guffaw!!
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Shucks. Why do YOU get all the cool missions ?
 
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