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delphi_ote said:
Once again, what is the purpose of taking this debate to a radio show?

And what about my other questions about the show? Does his show even have a website? That might be a good place to start.
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I guess it's easier to scare people with video and radio than with lengthy drab texts with words and sentences you actually have to read through.
 
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conspiracybeliever said:
Sooo, he challenges you to go on his show, you refuse, and that makes HIM the coward? How do you figure?
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It's already been stated why a "radio" show is not a good forum for such a debate. A forum such as this one - where all ideas are welcome and there is no chance of being banned because of your position (unlike the Loose Change forum where dissent is not allowed). Just tell Roxdog to get his sorry rear end over here if he is so confident in his position. But it's obvious that the nutters on the LC forum are not interested in honest debate, facts, logic, or reason or they would not be so quick to ban dissenting opinions. Or make all who don't toe the line post in a special troll section like LC does.

Put up or shut up.
 
WildCat said:
It's already been stated why a "radio" show is not a good forum for such a debate. A forum such as this one - where all ideas are welcome and there is no chance of being banned because of your position (unlike the Loose Change forum where dissent is not allowed). Just tell Roxdog to get his sorry rear end over here if he is so confident in his position. But it's obvious that the nutters on the LC forum are not interested in honest debate, facts, logic, or reason or they would not be so quick to ban dissenting opinions. Or make all who don't toe the line post in a special troll section like LC does.

Put up or shut up.
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conspiracybeliever said:
On average i get as many as 50 live listeners and a few hundred downloads. :D
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Emphasis mine, perhaps conspiracybeliever is roxdog
 
Sorry to digress from the radio show duel, but here is somthing that really bugs me from the Loose Change «film».

In the rather science fiction part that concerns flight 93, Avery (who suddenly has a degree in psychology) seems to disbelieve that anyone would call their mother and tell their full name: «when was the last time you called your mom and stated your full name?»

Well, M. Avery, I never called my mum from an highjacked airplained, having seen people get their throats cut and knowing that the plane is about to crash into a building (they all had herd of the WTC). But I did see people in extreme situations, like a fire or an accident, say the dumbest things. You never know what adrenaline and stress can make you do or say. You'd have to be a trained CIA agent to keep your cool in such a situation.

If Dylan Avery can make such an arbitrary statement, doesn't that make the rest a little doubtfull?
 
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DavidJames said:
Emphasis mine, perhaps conspiracybeliever is roxdog
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Looks like someone might be confused about who they are...

conspiracybeliever said:
Sooo, he challenges you to go on his show, you refuse, and that makes HIM the coward? How do you figure?
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conspiracybeliever said:
He has stated he would go on your show if you had one. Or anyone else's for that matter. You are merely assuming he'd be hostile to you on his show only to give a reason not to go on it, IMO.
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conspiracybeliever said:
It's merely a proposal. It appears he is willing to go on anyone's show to debate the actual issues. It seems that if someone went on his show and he made things unfair or acted like a jerk it would only reflect badly on him so, what's the big deal?
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conspiracybeliever said:
So, in other words, no one has the courage to meet his challenge? Interesting seeing how he has laid all his cards on the table...
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conspiracybeliever said:
Who cares about his audience? If you guys have the facts and research that should matter very little.
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conspiracybeliever said:
Actually, if you listen to his shows he as done much more than that. I can't believe no one here will go on his show. He would go on yours...
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conspiracybeliever said:
On average i get as many as 50 live listeners and a few hundred downloads.
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conspiracybeliever said:
Got an email from someone willing to come on my show. A female, no less. Looks like not all of you are cowards. Tomorrow night. 8PM Central...
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WildCat said:
It's already been stated why a "radio" show is not a good forum for such a debate.
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It's a pet peeve of mine how often people toss the word "debate" around. Granted, it's usually appropriate in most of the contexts where it's used, but (as a guy who did some formal debating) it kind of bothers me when people use "debate" to suggest that a screaming, petty argument is in way a formal, objectively weighed discussion.

Why don't these Loosers just call it what it is and just use "argument"?
 
senorpogo said:
It's a pet peeve of mine how often people toss the word "debate" around. Granted, it's usually appropriate in most of the contexts where it's used, but (as a guy who did some formal debating) it kind of bothers me when people use "debate" to suggest that a screaming, petty argument is in way a formal, objectively weighed discussion.

Why don't these Loosers just call it what it is and just use "argument"?
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It's not that either I'm afraid.

We have Monty Python to thank for a good demonstration of what is not argument and why.

An argument is "a connected series of statements to establish a definite proposition".

The folks at LC engage in fallacy, rhetoric and gainsaying. Most of it is NOT argument. I attempted to explain it to them but I was accused of using big words and then figuratively burned at the steak.

Ignorance breeds ignorance.
 
delphi_ote said:
No we don't!
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:D

A word of warning to JREF folk. Bear in mind that some of the more bucolic Loose Changers are unfamiliar with our esoteric language, you know, words like proposition and premise. These things just confuse and frighten them. I'm not making this up. Twice I was criticized for using "big words" during my sojourn there.

Never mind they are on the Internet with a plethora of reference material.
 
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RandFan said:
:D

A word of warning to JREF folk. Bear in mind that some of the more bucolic Loose Changers are unfamiliar with our esoteric language, you know, words like proposition and premise. These things just confuse and frighten them. I'm not making this up. Twice I was criticized for using "big words" during my sojourn there.

Never mind they are on the Internet with a plethora of reference material.
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El Guapo: Jefe, would you say I have a plethora of pinatas?
Jefe: A what?
El Guapo: A *plethora*.
Jefe: Oh yes, El Guapo. You have a plethora.
El Guapo: Jefe, what is a plethora?
Jefe: Why, El Guapo?
El Guapo: Well, you just told me that I had a plethora, and I would just like to know if you know what it means to have a plethora. I would not like to think that someone would tell someone else he has a plethora, and then find out that that person has *no idea* what it means to have a plethora.
Jefe: El Guapo, I know that I, Jefe, do not have your superior intellect and education, but could it be that once again, you are angry at something else, and are looking to take it out on me?
 
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El Guapo: Jefe, would you say I have a plethora of pinatas?
Jefe: A what?
El Guapo: A *plethora*.
Jefe: Oh yes, El Guapo. You have a plethora.
El Guapo: Jefe, what is a plethora?
Jefe: Why, El Guapo?
El Guapo: Well, you just told me that I had a plethora, and I would just like to know if you know what it means to have a plethora. I would not like to think that someone would tell someone else he has a plethora, and then find out that that person has *no idea* what it means to have a plethora.
Jefe: El Guapo, I know that I, Jefe, do not have your superior intellect and education, but could it be that once again, you are angry at something else, and are looking to take it out on me?
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:dl:
 
RandFan said:
:D

A word of warning to JREF folk. Bear in mind that some of the more bucolic Loose Changers are unfamiliar with our esoteric language, you know, words like proposition and premise. These things just confuse and frighten them. I'm not making this up. Twice I was criticized for using "big words" during my sojourn there.

Never mind they are on the Internet with a plethora of reference material.
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Your grandiloquent loquacity is meretricious and vexatious!
 
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