Loose Change

[chipmunk stew]

I also believe that it is planned for the truth of 9/11 to be revealed, at least in part. The US is already a pariah on the world stage. If the world learned that the US Government was behind 9/11, it would reduce US credibility even more. They can't conquer America without first bringing it to its knees.

Doesn't that make you an unwitting co-conspirator? So basically, whether you argue for this theory, argue against it, or remain apathetic, you're doing the bidding of the conspirators.

Alek, it's simply not possible that every little twist and nuance of your ever more convoluted theory is being orchestrated by the Bilderbergers or Illuminati or Skull & Bones or whoever it is you're insinuating is behind it.

 

[emperorchaos]

Great links, Luke! Thanks a lot. The more I learn about this, the more I'll be able to nip this BS in the bud next time I encounter it. I'm sure I'm likely to encounter it again in my line of work...

By the way, if you want a detailed analysis of the Pentagon hit, check the Snopes article on it.



Doesn't get any clearer than that.

Thanks for posting that Snopes article. I was looking through the JREF forums for some information regarding a video I saw about the Pentagon attack. I was pretty sure it was a bunch of crap to begin with but I wanted to ask someone here. Now I don't have to!

 

[emperorchaos]

And yes I realize that I was responding to a post that was made almost 2 weeks ago. I was beginning to read this thread but I don't know if I will considering the content is something of which no matter how much evidence you prevent against it you will always have idiots believing it.

And delphi_ote, seeing your siggy so much today... I think I'm going to listen to "The Process of Belief" now.

 

[CurtC]

I suspect they used global hawk technology to pilot the planes into their targets.

In case anyone is adding these things up, how many hundreds of engineers/technicians/maintenance staff would you estimate that it would take, to rig up a commercial jetliner with a fly-by-wire Global Hawk setup?

Keep in mind that it took a few hundred people to rig up the bunker-buster bombs with laser-guided seekers back in the first Gulf War, and that's a fairly minor adaptation. They had to do all kinds of wind tunnel tests to get the control parameters right so that it would guide a big howitzer barrell full of explosives, as opposed to the 2000 pound bombs that the seekers normally are attached to. Your project of fitting a Global Hawk control on a 767 is much larger in scope.

And the passengers didn't notice that they didn't have a pilot? The flight attendants? Or did the planes not have passengers? And if that's the case, where are all those people now who were on the manifests? How big of a staff would it take to "dispose" of dozens and dozens of passengers?

Alek, the more you post, the crazier you're sounding.

 

[WildCat]

Alek, you seem to be ignoring me, but in case you aren't have you found a single witness who saw a missile hit the Pentagon yet, to offset at least partially the dozens who reported seeing a airplane hit it?

 

[WildCat]

I'm speculating, but I think the simple reason is that the towers simply had to come down to generate the desired effect. Which is why I also believe that the 19 hijackers used stolen identities, and were probably patsies running a training op. I suspect they used global hawk technology to pilot the planes into their targets. Flight 93 was an exception.

The plot thickens. Why would patsies be needed if they was under remote control? What do you think happened to Flight 93?

 

[chipmunk stew]

The plot thickens. Why would patsies be needed if they was under remote control?

Same reason you need the planes in the first place, even though you have the WTC towers rigged with explosives: you can blame the terrorists. How'm I doing, Alek?

 

[WildCat]

Same reason you need the planes in the first place, even though you have the WTC towers rigged with explosives: you can blame the terrorists. How'm I doing, Alek?

I think (there's so many conspiracy theories out there I may be getting them confused now) the Loose Change video claims that the hijackers are all alive and well, and the plane for Flight 93 and maybe Flight 77 are still in service. I guess it all depends on which flavor of the 9/11 conspiracy Alek is going to subscribe to, but I suspect he'll keep moving the goal posts as we tear his current theory to shreds.

 

[Alek]

Same reason you need the planes in the first place, even though you have the WTC towers rigged with explosives: you can blame the terrorists. How'm I doing, Alek?

I don't accept the idea that I have to subscribe to any one alternate theory. I find the official conspiracy theory to be highly suspect, but that doesn't mean I claim to know the truth. I tend to consider all the theories and weigh them by my estimate of the probability that they actually happend, which incidentally includes the minute possibility (in my mind) that the government's OCT is true.

Most people here seem convinced that 9/11 went down just like the government said it did, with few questions. As for one grand theory of precisely what happend on 9/11 and why, I don't own any.

 

[senorpogo]

If the world learned that the US Government was behind 9/11, it would reduce US credibility even more. They can't conquer America without first bringing it to its knees.

Who is the "they" in this scenario? It appears that you're saying that the United States government perpetrated 9/11 to reduce their own credibility just so that they, the United States government, could ultimately conquer the United States of America.

 

[WildCat]

Now that you're back here Alek, have you found any witnesses yet who saw a missile hit the Pentagon?

 

[hellaeon]

Long time lurker, first time poster,

My question is (and pardon me if this has been covered and I missed it) -
Even if we accept the idea that the US Government/corporations/globalists planned and somehow gained from the terrorist attacks on 9/11, why was it necessary for them to crash planes into the towers AND rig them with explosives? Wouldn't one or the other have achieved their goal? Wouldn't the visuals of 747s ramming into iconic American buildings been enough to evoke the emotional response needed by the US Government/corporations/globalists to ultimately achieve their end, whatever that may have been?

Wouldn't planting explosives and firing missles be unecessary liabilities? Wouldn't the logistics inolved (getting the proper people and materials into and out of the buildings undetected) be a risk not worth taking considering that hundred-ton, jet powered make-shift missles were already on the way to crash into the towers?

In short, why did this conspiracy require the towers to fall rather than, lets say, just get hit by the airliners and remain burnt husks, constantly reminding Americans of the horror of that day?

The cost of missles and planes and dynamite and the clean up and keeping people quiet...dont state the obvious mate....

 

[hellaeon]

Who is the "they" in this scenario? It appears that you're saying that the United States government perpetrated 9/11 to reduce their own credibility just so that they, the United States government, could ultimately conquer the United States of America.

haha senor thats what I was going to take up with him but I must say

I don't accept the idea that I have to subscribe to any one alternate theory. I find the official conspiracy theory to be highly suspect, but that doesn't mean I claim to know the truth. I tend to consider all the theories and weigh them by my estimate of the probability that they actually happend, which incidentally includes the minute possibility (in my mind) that the government's OCT is true.

So im reading this as its highly probable the government conspired with thousands of people to launch missles and planes at buildings only to bring them down with tonnes of explosives, meanwhile the alleged hijackers that were on the plane are now computers guiding it remotely with fly by wire technology, all the while the thousands of people that saw it are just patsies, the media is in on it too (many thousands more people) and lets not forget the fact the fbi took videos taken of the pentagon also the witnesses at the pentagon are just liers because we all know bombs went off and.... *breathe*...this was done by the US government because they secretly want to control america, they being not the US government but some higher lords or beings that run all the oil companies as well and lets not forget they are all bloodline related back to shapeshifting lizards and that blair, the queen, all the Bush family and all the previous governments are in on it because bush senior is the only government who still uses his cia priviledges to see dossiers and other covert stuff, and he has massive monetary gains in all this, even sylvia brown and all the psychics are in on it as they 'conveniently' missed it in their predictions and the only one who spoke out was nostradamus but he had to communicate it back then in some vague prophecy because we all know the lizards controlled the world way back then through occult rituals sacrificing babies and other people.....

Or it could just be some people who are suicidal martyr's for their cause that completely hate america really hijacked planes and flew them into some of USA's great landmarks?

Well hey, im confused by the probability of the second being remotely true....

 

[sesmo_k]

I ran out of breath reading the last post.... but the woo's believe it's true!

Suppose we mustn't forget that the same group were also responsible for blowing up embassies, naval vessels and trains. Amazing how all the people involved were on government payrolls... not!

 

[delphi_ote]

As for one grand theory of precisely what happend on 9/11 and why, I don't own any.

It is not the critic who counts: not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself for a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat.

You guys will go down in history with the rest of the intellectually lazy.

 

[kookbreaker]

Most people here seem convinced that 9/11 went down just like the government said it did, with few questions.

If it were just the government, this might be an issue. But the statement you make above betrays a grand level of ignorance on your part as well as deliberate avoidance of science, engineering, and proper investigation.

As for one grand theory of precisely what happend on 9/11 and why, I don't own any.

Ah, pseudo-intellectual conspiracy agnostism: If you don't subscribe to any one theory, you can't get shot down with those inconvenient facts. If you let yourself jump from theory to theory as you need, then you can be like a fly on dogs[rule8]: nobody wants to swat you, and you can just fly to another turd when they try.

 

[WildCat]

Ah, pseudo-intellectual conspiracy agnostism: If you don't subscribe to any one theory, you can't get shot down with those inconvenient facts. If you let yourself jump from theory to theory as you need, then you can be like a fly on dogs[rule8]: nobody wants to swat you, and you can just fly to another turd when they try.

This isn't just moving the goal posts, it's not even having goal posts in the first place!

I wonder if he'll find any witnesses who saw a missile hit the Pentagon?

 

[Alek]

Who is the "they" in this scenario? It appears that you're saying that the United States government perpetrated 9/11 to reduce their own credibility just so that they, the United States government, could ultimately conquer the United States of America.

By "they" I'm referring to the globalists who want to institute a one-world government at the UN, and who control the US and US foreign policy, and who are constantly trying to undermine US sovereignty. I don't blame "government" for 9/11, I blame elements within and without the government.

 

[delphi_ote]

By "they" I'm referring to the globalists who want to institute a one-world government at the UN, and who control the US and US foreign policy, and who are constantly trying to undermine US sovereignty. I don't blame "government" for 9/11, I blame elements within and without the government.

Names? And what the hell do you mean by "globalist?"

 

[Ducky]

Names? And what the hell do you mean by "globalist?"

Maybe after you get your new job, you can tell us who's running the world, Delphi.