• Quick note - the problem with Youtube videos not embedding on the forum appears to have been fixed, thanks to ZiprHead. If you do still see problems let me know.

Loose Change

Status
Not open for further replies.
kookbreaker said:
People on the other flights did make calls, but to that point, no one knew that the planes were to be used as weapons.

As for the terrorists allowing them, do you think four guys with knives can control every action on the plane?

But do feel free to join the conspiracy nutters and s*** on the memory of those who had a chance to fight back.
Click to expand...


It's not (in my mind) that the other flights didn't have calls (they did); it's how the heck cell phones worked. The only thing I think we're missing in this particular equation is the actual altitude of the planes during the calls.

Yes, at that point in time, most cell phones couldn't get good coverage at 32,000 ft... but these were planes descending rapidly to hit ground targets; ergo, at the time the calls were being made, chances are the planes were MUCH lower and closer to workable range for cell phones. That's my guess, anyway.

I still don't have a cell phone, so I'm pretty much clueless on how they operate... :D
 
zaayrdragon said:
It's not (in my mind) that the other flights didn't have calls (they did); it's how the heck cell phones worked. The only thing I think we're missing in this particular equation is the actual altitude of the planes during the calls.

Yes, at that point in time, most cell phones couldn't get good coverage at 32,000 ft... but these were planes descending rapidly to hit ground targets; ergo, at the time the calls were being made, chances are the planes were MUCH lower and closer to workable range for cell phones. That's my guess, anyway.

I still don't have a cell phone, so I'm pretty much clueless on how they operate... :D
Click to expand...

Keep in mind that the airplane phones do work, and they are often right in front of the middle seat.

Cell phones not working? I've seen arguements from both sides, the CTers point to a study saying it would not work, but I hear pilots saying that they do, and people have been arrested for using their cell phone on planes. I tend to side with the pilots on this one.

The problem is that you jump from transmitter to transmitter. Making a mess.
 
kookbreaker said:
Keep in mind that the airplane phones do work, and they are often right in front of the middle seat.

Cell phones not working? I've seen arguements from both sides, the CTers point to a study saying it would not work, but I hear pilots saying that they do, and people have been arrested for using their cell phone on planes. I tend to side with the pilots on this one.

The problem is that you jump from transmitter to transmitter. Making a mess.
Click to expand...

Yeah. The recent implementation of cell phone nodes on planes is really to help stabilize the transmission, and to keep the cell phones from interfering with avionics too badly, IIRC.
 
blue_eastcoast said:
it made me feel many different ways, it made me feel angry at the american goverment for a thing such as this to happen.
Click to expand...
So you're going to accuse the faceless "american government" of murdering thousands of people with no evidence? You are a very unethical and cowardly person.

blue_eastcoast said:
But is also mad me feel compelled to show this to other people, the government has to lie and cover up everything.
Click to expand...
You're angry about imaginary government lies, yet you're going to spread the lies in this video around without critically evaluating them? The links in this thread thoroughly debunk the deceit you've swallowed hook, line, and sinker.

blue_eastcoast said:
At least there are some smart people in the world.
Click to expand...
Clearly I am not speaking to one of them now. Stop imagining you're stuck in the middle of a Dan Brown novel and THINK!
 
delphi_ote said:
When I was 15, I went to a John Birch Society camp. Those people all need years of psychotherapy. And medicine. Lots of medicine.
Click to expand...

Hee. I had a Bircher as a teacher in high school back in the 80s. He used to give us some rather amusing handouts. I wish I would have saved them.
 
A while ago - just about the time I first started visiting here - I was first exposed to the 'Lunar Landing hoax' theory. I was honestly taken in by it, and confused as hell about the apparent evidence that we had faked a moon landing. But after just a few days, I had encountered all the rebuttals, and learned that people are idiots.

This time, I watched the movie (in full), made a few notes, and went off to do the research. The rebuttals aren't quite as compelling as with the Lunar stuff, but they're there, and the case against a conspiracy is strong.

Unfortunately, some folks live in a world where the Masons are secretly controlling the world, alien cultures are actively trading secrets with the government, and Elvis is alive and well, sipping Mai Tai's with Hitler in Palm Springs. How those folks make it through the day, I'll never know.
 
I don't understand how people can say that the collapse of the South Tower (the first to collapse) looks like a controlled demolition. Any demolition crew that allowed a collapse like that would get sued.

The South Tower did not collapse straight down. There are many video clips showing how the tower buckled at one side, with the top part of the tower tipping over to one side. Also, the tower buckles at the exact point of the impact of the plane. Was the pilot really that skilled as to be able to pilot the plane to the exact point where the explosives were placed?

See the video in the link for a closeup of the South Tower collapse. Seems pretty clear to me as to what happened.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8564772103237441151&q=world+trade+center
 
I'm not completely satisfied with the official version of 911, but some of the theories out there are completely nuts, I'm surprised nobody's blamed aliens yet.
 
Godmode said:
Oh my.
I stand corrected.
Once again I have over-estimated the human race.
Click to expand...

Yupp it's when I read stuff like that, that I'm sorely tempted to put 'Operation: Remove all warning lables' into play.
 
Curnir said:
Yupp it's when I read stuff like that, that I'm sorely tempted to put 'Operation: Remove all warning lables' into play.
Click to expand...

Start an Urban Legend on the net about how Masons control the world because they drink bleach.
 
If anyone is up for a debate with a CTer about the 'Loose Change' video, please visit and join the forum at:

http://www.in-the-gap.com/morgana/index.php

I've got sucked into a discussion, but to be honest, I don't give a damn whether I correct this guy's (he's called 'CyberChrist' ffs!) misconceptions or not. I've tried it with other nutters, and they will use any tactic bar logic to defend their stance. Still, it's fun to wind them up.

The actual thread is in the Political forum.
 
Unfortunately these CT documentaries are starting to getting well spread at P2P forums. I'm about to have a discussion at an spanish forum with a guy about 'Loose Change 2nd Edition'. Has anyone watched that 2nd edition? Is it much different than 'Loose Change'? any info would be appreciated.
 
delphi_ote said:
I had a conversation with one of my room mates about this movie last night. I think I disabused him of believing in the movie, but he still seems stuck on the free fall idea. Does anyone have one really good link debunking that myth? Something a realtor would understand?
Click to expand...

Try this link:

janedoe0911.tripod.com/BilliardBalls.html
 
chipmunk stew said:
I haven't watched it. Is it that Alex Jones video? I had a guy trying to convince me to watch some Alex Jones video, but at the time I flat out refused because of some of the blatantly specious stuff he was quoting from it.

I guess I'll have to watch it now that it's all over Google video so I can tear it apart next time someone tells me I just have to see this thing.
Click to expand...

Just parrot someone else who has actually watched the film and decided to debunk it. What difference would it make, given that you've absolutely no pretense of objectivity? But then, "skeptics" don't need objectivity, they just need copious amounts of doubt, right?

I find it rather unlikely that you or several others in this thread are anything but selective skeptics. Perhaps if you applied the same degree of skepticism towards the 9/11 Commission's official conspiracy theory as you do to bigfoot sightings, spooky ghost stories, and psychics, then you may discover that their story doesn't quite add up.
 
Alek said:
Just parrot someone else who has actually watched the film and decided to debunk it. What difference would it make, given that you've absolutely no pretense of objectivity? But then, "skeptics" don't need objectivity, they just need copious amounts of doubt, right?

I find it rather unlikely that you or several others in this thread are anything but selective skeptics. Perhaps if you applied the same degree of skepticism towards the 9/11 Commission's official conspiracy theory as you do to bigfoot sightings, spooky ghost stories, and psychics, then you may discover that their story doesn't quite add up.
Click to expand...

In what specifics do you say the official theory does not add up?
 
Huntsman said:
*sigh*

Did anything like this happen with Pearl Harbor? I know there were a few theories, but mostly it seems to be only one or two little factoids left now. I dunno, though. I'm not real good with history. I wonder if there's a parallel between 9/11 and Pearl Harbor in the development of conspiracy theories.

If so, then the relatively uncommon nature of Pearl Harbor CTs today could be taken as a good sign that this too will fade :)
Click to expand...

There is a book entitled "Day of Deceit" written by Robert Stinnett. Stinnett proffers evidence that FDR had prior knowledge of the attack and let it happen so as to create a public pretense for US involvement in WW2.

I haven't read the book, but given the Hegelian dialectic and its historical employment plus Roosevelt's status as a traitor, I have little doubt it is true.
 
Good afternoon Alek and welcome.
Alek said:
Just parrot someone else who has actually watched the film and decided to debunk it. What difference would it make, given that you've absolutely no pretense of objectivity? But then, "skeptics" don't need objectivity, they just need copious amounts of doubt, right?

I find it rather unlikely that you or several others in this thread are anything but selective skeptics. Perhaps if you applied the same degree of skepticism towards the 9/11 Commission's official conspiracy theory as you do to bigfoot sightings, spooky ghost stories, and psychics, then you may discover that their story doesn't quite add up.
Click to expand...

Interesting viewpoint. Exactly what leads you to your conclusions?

JPK
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Back
Top Bottom