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Alek said:
Practically everyone here has already put more effort into covering up that fact then FEMA/NIST did in the 9/11 report.
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Damn! The gig's up guys, he's figured out we're part of the conspiracy... :boxedin:
 
WildCat said:
Damn! The gig's up guys, he's figured out we're part of the conspiracy... :boxedin:
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Yes! You're the unwitting co-conspirator. It must be pretty fantastic for them to have the government, the mainstream media, and millions of little parrots like you doing the whitewashing for you. However, the shame in all of this is that the joke is really on you.
 
Alek said:
Yes! You're the unwitting co-conspirator. It must be pretty fantastic for them to have the government, the mainstream media, and millions of little parrots like you doing the whitewashing for you. However, the shame in all of this is that the joke is really on you.
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Oh, yeah, you're the open minded one. :rolleyes:
 
The total kinetic energy generated by the collapse of one WTC tower was about 10^12J
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That means the kinetic energy of the two towers collapsing alone was half a kiloton (1/20-1/40th the energy of the bomb dropped on Hiroshima.) Holy crap!
 
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Has anyone else seen this 9/11 conspiracy theory "documentary?" A friend asked me to watch it, and it's making me so angry I can't say anything intelligible about it. We're going to be stuck forever with people denying this tragedy just like we're stuck with people denying the Holocaust.

It's all over google video. Just type in "Loose Change" if you hate your brain.

ETA: http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=Loose+Change
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Wow, so, here I am responding to a post that no longer seems to exist! You open this thread about how you're watching this movie that makes you so angry (see above). Then on page five you post about how you just downloaded some video of the towers, and remark about how it's the first time in 4+ years that you've seen video of the towers falling. And how "beautiful" the physics were. That's interesting, considering how Loose Change is filled with footage of the towers falling, from many different angles! Apparently, you didn't watch it at all!

Did you delete that post because you realized it exposed you as a *liar*? That was pretty nimble. I guess when you're a liar sometimes you lose track of the lies.

For those of you who aren't moral cowards, liars, and who don't suffer from a parochial, narrow-minded worldview, here is a link to the video. You might try ACTUALLY WATCHING IT!

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5137581991288263801&q=loose+change

As for me, I think I'll move on to greener pastures. Thank you for your time. I can't say that you've been cordial. You've been mostly arrogant, self-aggrandizing, and insulting. Despite this I sincerely hope you investigate 9/11, our country and way of life depends on the truth getting out.

I leave you to resume your job of debunking ghost stories, UFOs, and the psychic friends network. See you in the Haliburton camps!
 
I got about half of it watched before bedtime last night. The Popular Mechanics article handles most of what I saw and I can very easily handle the free-fall calculation they did.

They forgot air resistance. The equation the used would apply only in a vaccum. I'm pretty sure that's Chapter 2 or so in most Physics books.

(That and what other people had already pointed out.)

Anyway, thus far, not impressed. I'll try and watch a bit more tonight.
 
this is not an arguement about facts. Its about just hating the government and a really boring personal life void of excitement. The realisation of the same ◊◊◊◊ day in day out....

Just cause your paranoid alek, does not mean they aren't out to get you.
 
Alek said:
For those of you who aren't moral cowards, liars, and who don't suffer from a parochial, narrow-minded worldview, here is a link to the video. You might try ACTUALLY WATCHING IT!
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Been there, done that. It's nonsense.

As for me, I think I'll move on to greener pastures.
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The doors thataway, just follow the guy who thinks Bigfoot is a shape-shifting alien w/ super-powers.

Thank you for your time. I can't say that you've been cordial. You've been mostly arrogant, self-aggrandizing, and insulting.
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PT Barnum couldn't make a dime here, he left in a huff too.

Despite this I sincerely hope you investigate 9/11, our country and way of life depends on the truth getting out.
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Don't worry, Superman will save the day just when all seems lost.

I leave you to resume your job of debunking ghost stories, UFOs, and the psychic friends network. See you in the Haliburton camps!
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I bet you weave baskets in your "camp"...
 
Alek said:
Did you delete that post because you realized it exposed you as a *liar*? That was pretty nimble. I guess when you're a liar sometimes you lose track of the lies.
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The post is still there. You had to know it was still there, becuase you quoted it. That means you deliberately said something false when you knew the truth. I think that's probably pretty close to the dictionary definition of "lie."
 
Alek said:
Wow, so, here I am responding to a post that no longer seems to exist! You open this thread about how you're watching this movie that makes you so angry (see above). Then on page five you post about how you just downloaded some video of the towers, and remark about how it's the first time in 4+ years that you've seen video of the towers falling. And how "beautiful" the physics were. That's interesting, considering how Loose Change is filled with footage of the towers falling, from many different angles! Apparently, you didn't watch it at all!

Did you delete that post because you realized it exposed you as a *liar*? That was pretty nimble. I guess when you're a liar sometimes you lose track of the lies
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I think he meant this "deleted" post.

delphi_ote said:
I actually grabbed video of the towers falling. This is the first time in 4.5 years I've watched the towers fall willingly.
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(my emphasis)

Sheesh. When the paranoid get paranoid they really get paranoid.

eta: delphi, you're too quick for me.
 
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Alek said:
For those of you who aren't moral cowards, liars, and who don't suffer from a parochial, narrow-minded worldview, here is a link to the video. You might try ACTUALLY WATCHING IT!

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5137581991288263801&q=loose+change
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Ha ha ha ha ha *wipes eyes* *sighs* oh mercy...
Seen it, wasn't impressed.
As for me, I think I'll move on to greener pastures. Thank you for your time. I can't say that you've been cordial. You've been mostly arrogant, self-aggrandizing, and insulting. Despite this I sincerely hope you investigate 9/11, our country and way of life depends on the truth getting out.
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oh my... Investigate 9/11 sure...
Loose Change was sort of like a person finding 3 spots of white colour on a blue wall and zooming in on the spots take pictures, and then loudly proclaim that the goverment wants people to believe that the wall is BLUE, even when he got the photographic evidence and several painters that testify that the paint on the photograph is indeed white. And since the colour oon the photographs is white... the whole wall must be white.
I leave you to resume your job of debunking ghost stories, UFOs, and the psychic friends network.
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ha ha ha ha ha

See you in the Haliburton camps!
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Soo Alek... you support Haliburton do you? *shakes head* for shame...


yeah yeah it was a bit silly of me but posts such as that just cracks me up :D
 
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Alek said:
As for me, I think I'll move on to greener pastures. Thank you for your time. I can't say that you've been cordial. You've been mostly arrogant, self-aggrandizing, and insulting.
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We work with what you gave us. Which wasn't much. And now you are running away like a little coward because you couldn't defend your claims. Truth to be told, you got off light, and in fact if you were to look back, most of what you considered 'arrogant' simply was us not worshipping the lies you told us.

Despite this I sincerely hope you investigate 9/11, our country and way of life depends on the truth getting out.
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Why is it that 'investigate 9/11' really means 'come to the same wacky, unsupported, more-paranoid-than-thou conclusion that Alek does'?

Another sniveling, whiney conspiracy theorist bites the dust.
 
What's really fun is that to some 9/11 CT'ers, Alek is a government disinfo agent. These CT'ers go for a minimalist approch, claiming that Bush knew 9/11 would happen at let it happen, or that the CIA manipulated Al Queda into the attack. They take everything else at face value (building collapse, Plane at the Pentagon, etc) and consider those who harp on those issues to be fools following idiotic arguements to make all Ct'ers look bad.

So Alek is just a tool of Bush & Halliburton. :D
 
Alek
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Are you implying that the 9/11 truth movement is driven only by hucksters, for profit?[/quote]
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Yes, mostly. the rest are just idiots who let their politics trump their critical thinking skills.
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Googling some of those names reveals that it's probably the opposite. Pretty standard-issue neo-anarchists eager to blame the government for every evil in the world. Poet/professors who allege that Osama has been dead for four years and that the CIA has been making his tapes, perma-students who have run for office on the Marijuana Party, folks like that. In their vehement hatred of America, they have a vested interest in terrorism succeeding -- they want to create enough social discord to usher in their radical politics.
 
Good morning Alek.
At the risk of making you look even more paranoid, would you care to tell us why exactly you think was conductced by the US government? I mean they must have had a reason right? How long ago did this plan start to take place? What other buildings are rigged to blow? You would have a great case if you could find one before someone else runs a plane into them.
You do not seem to be doing well by supplying physical evidence to hold up your end of the story so why not let us know your opinion on this.
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Alek said:
[Way back in post #93...]
One of the premises behind the accusations of people like me is that the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States (also known as the "9/11 Commission") is full of lies
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So your premise is that the Commission is full of lies? No wonder you're having trouble here.

I do have one technical point to add - you can't seem to see how WTC7's collapse could look like a demolition. It's too sudden and too fast-falling for you. There's a reason that they look alike. In a controlled demolition, they don't plant so many explosives that building is obliterated by them. They use just enough explosives to make it so that the building supports can't hold its weight, then they let the law of gravity finish the job. Ideally, they start in the middle so that the interior walls fall first, and the exterior walls fall inwards towards the rubble. But the key is that they use just enough explosives that it can't support itself, then it falls down all at once.

With WTC7, it stood until it reached a point that it couldn't support itself anymore. Once that point is reached, the whole thing collapses. There's no way that a 50-story building could partially crumble, or go in stages. Once part fails, the whole thing can't hold up all that weight anymore and it suddenly all falls down. The failure in this case started in the middle, apparently because that's where the damage was heaviest.
 
/raises hand/

Hey Alek? I have a question for you. I asked this to a different CT in a previous 9/11 thread but never got an answer.

According to you, the "controlled demolition" of WTC7 is what convinced you of a conspiracy, right? According to your conspiracy, WHY was WTC7 destroyed?
 
Alek said:
Perhaps you could answer this question posed by someone on another forum, I think it's a reasonable question:

"Could the airliner impact, fuel combustion, and subsequent fires have weakened both the floor trusts and the central core sufficiently to initiate a collapse that would proceed in such rapidity that the resistance of the portions of the building below the failure were inconsequential? "
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I find it telling that the original poster of this question doesn't even know what a floor TRUSS is (it's not a "trust"). Why should I believe that he/she did any research into his own question if he couldn't even take the time to find out what the hell was talking about? Pure ignorance.

I was a truss designer for 6 years. The truss/trust thing always bugged me.
 
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