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Huntsman said:
That was me!!

Heh, I made that point before. One thing I've discovered is that people are more afraid of uncertainty than evil. Look at dictatorships and tyrannies all over the world. It's almost unilaterally a very small percentage that's part of the total power group. But peopel are more afraid of what would happen if that government falls than they are of what the government does. Even though it's evil, evil can be predictable and understandable, and one can learn the "bounds" within which one can survive and possibly even gain advantage. It's more comforting to think it's planned (and thus, logical and rational), than a random act of a few violent, fanatical men who were able to slip through our trillion dollar defenses, because of incompetence, sloth, inattention, lack of manpower, apathy, infighting, and plain old bad luck.
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Awesome. I thought it was made somewhere by someone in this thread.

People do seem to prefer orderly systems (however foolish) to anarchy or change. I'd have to imagine that a certain amount of religious devotion comes from the same place.
 
rwguinn said:
OK, here we go:

Green Chili Stew:
2 lb Hatch Green Chili, roasted, peeled, and seeded
(I recommend "Medium" hot for maximum flavor )
Large Onion (yellow or White)
1 Lb good lean pork, cubed
1 large Potato
1 lb tomato, diced with seeds and pulp
2 cloves garlic, choped
Cilantro leaves
Black Pepper
salt
2 Tbsp Olive Oil
In large pot, brown the pork in the olive oil. Add onion and garlic, stirring until just starting to carmelize. Add everything else, plus enough water to cover.Bring to a boil, reduce heat cover and simmer. Continually adjust seasoning to taste (You can always add more--but its hard to remove it once its there.)
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sounds nice. what about "scotch bonnet" chillies instead? proper hot. :boggled:

the only thing I haven't got on my spice rack is cilantro leaves.
 
Alek said:
Oh yes! I'm officially a conspiracy theorist, and everybody knows that conspiracy theorists are nutty and unstable. Unless of course the conspiracy theories are official, and the theorists are you. Hey, I think I've got you figured out. You're one of those conspiracy theory debunkers, aren't you? The sort of statist who likes to teabag the government as it lies to you.
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Alek, since you have this all figured out....im just wondering why your still around...surely your a risk to such a controlled government? Are you waiting to be brisked away to a secret location or approached by agents like Molder (spelling?) was in the x-files?

There is a sweet DVD collection im to buy soon (have to get my arnie movies first) you would love, the James Bond collection. Its all about this sort of thing. Big secret governments conspiring with business to destroy the world!
 
Im proposing that the information on loose change is actually disinformation put out there by the government.
 
Shrinker said:
He's logical and open minded, as evidenced by this post on the Loose Screws forum...
Personally, it isn't likely that anyone, whether they're considered to be an "expert", or whether they have a PhD behind their name is going to convince me that the WTC 7 building wasn't a controlled demolition. My own intelligence and intuition are paramount on this matter.
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Don't forget, it was Alek his own self, back in post #93 of this very thread, who wrote:
One of the premises behind the accusations of people like me is that the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States (also known as the "9/11 Commission") is full of lies
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So he starts with the position that the 9/11 Commission was full of lies, and goes from there. No wonder he ends out in the weeds.
 
hellaeon said:
Im proposing that the information on loose change is actually disinformation put out there by the government.
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maybe bush would prefer arguing that he didn't blow up the wtc rather than spend all his time answering tough questions about iraq?
 
Graham S1 said:
What we are talking about here, is a small minority, who were able to carry out their plans, as most of the people who were involved, would have simply been following orders, ie military, secret service, agency staff etc. Others who tried to speak up later, would have been paid off, "accidented/suicided", or BLACKMAILED into keeping quite.
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Wow, now you're on to something! Now I know the reason no structural engineers have signed on to the Loose Change conspiracy theory - they were BLACKMAILED!!!!!!! Because who licenses the structural engineers - the GOVERNMENT!!!!!!!!!!!! And w/o a license, they can't work, so of course they'll do what the government asks of them!!!

Why did I capitalise blackmail? Simply because there are many people in government, (far more than are actually evil), are fallible, to sexual urges. Those urges can be used and abused.
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I would like to point out to any secret gov't agents who may be listening that I am 100% certain of the CT and will make a video proving this w/ 100% certainty.

And btw, I have a weakness for tall leggy blondes w/ long hair who are willing do anything.

;)
 
Arkan_Wolfshade said:
For the sake of brevity, and the benefit of the forum members who may not have the time to devote to the entire film, could you highlight some of the more compelling evidence from the film in a post here?
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If you accept the possibility that what I'm saying is true, and you aren't willing to make the time to view the film, I would say that is apathetic, and negligent.

There is overwhelming evidence that not only was McVeigh part of a conspiracy, but that the Ryder truck bomb was not responsible for the vast amount of damage present at the Murrah building. The evidence is in the form of local TV news footage spanning not only the day in question, but the weeks and months following the event. The footage includes evidence that there were multiple bombs in the building, eyewitness testimony corroborating multiple explosions, eyewitness testimony of a second passenger in the Ryder truck, evidence of jury tampering, BATF complicity, tampering of evidence, and cover-up, expert testimony that the structural damage the buliding suffered could not have been done by the truck bomb. There is also a plethora of other circumstantial evidence which taken into context implicates elements of the US government. As with the pentagon, surveillance footage was seized. This footage was not used in the trial of McVeigh. All of this is corroborated by multiple local TV stations, reporters, and eyewitness accounts, most of which people outside of Oklahoma City have not seen.
 
Alek said:
If you accept the possibility that what I'm saying is true, and you aren't willing to make the time to view the film, I would say that is apathetic, and negligent.

There is overwhelming evidence that not only was McVeigh part of a conspiracy, but that the Ryder truck bomb was not responsible for the vast amount of damage present at the Murrah building. The evidence is in the form of local TV news footage spanning not only the day in question, but the weeks and months following the event. The footage includes evidence that there were multiple bombs in the building, eyewitness testimony corroborating multiple explosions, eyewitness testimony of a second passenger in the Ryder truck, evidence of jury tampering, BATF complicity, tampering of evidence, and cover-up, expert testimony that the structural damage the buliding suffered could not have been done by the truck bomb. There is also a plethora of other circumstantial evidence which taken into context implicates elements of the US government. As with the pentagon, surveillance footage was seized. This footage was not used in the trial of McVeigh. All of this is corroborated by multiple local TV stations, reporters, and eyewitness accounts, most of which people outside of Oklahoma City have not seen.
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Negligent? Mighty powerful accusation. Whatever.

As for the rest of your post, since you are making very specific and testable assumptions, I suppose you could provide evidence of your assertions? What broadcasts? Will you post links to the transcripts or video footage?

Since you are making the claims (and shifting the discussion away from 9/11 rather bluntly) you can provide some evidence to back this up.

Or is this going to be the same rehash of your 9/11 conspiracy in which you post no credible evidence and yell at us and insult us for tearing your arguments and theories apart?
 
DavidJames said:
While that may sound reasonable, you're forgetting the CT's incredible intellegence and intuition :rolleyes:

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=1413&st=68
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Intelligence, intuition ... and the use of the Idiot's Syllogism ... "If I can't explain it, then I can explain it."

They should meet these people :

Is it strange how, when we are in the middle of summer, it can be raining out, and one day it is very 'hot,' the next day it is 15 degree cooler, and two days later, it is 'hot' again? Does this seem strange? How about earthquakes in parts of the world, that are so devastating, that if they were to happen here, our whole economy could be ruined. Do you think it is 'odd' that people would suggest that the government can and does control the weather? I know it sounds a little paranoid, but if you do the research to investigate, you will undoubtably arrive at the same conclusions. Our weather is controlled!
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Alek said:
eyewitness testimony corroborating multiple explosions, eyewitness testimony of a second passenger in the Ryder truck
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Are these the same eyewitnesses who saw something other than an AA 757 hit the Pentagon?
 
I’m proposingthat the information on loose change is actually disinformation put out there by the government.
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Perhaps, though not that they might be the producers, but they could always turn it to their benefit... What better way of knowing all the people who might have the attitude, highly emotional charge, network, radicalism to rise up against an authoritarian government???

Get right into all the puters, have access to all their information, whereabouts, mobility, etc.; See where I'm going with all this?

The conspiracy has a life of its own. Just look at The Protocols. It does not find an audience, the audience finds it.

So, by altering a few things here or there (perhaps for the sole reason of making it look more conspiratorial) are able to draw more and more people out of the woodwork.

Perhaps, they simply registered the amount of times one might go to any of the Conspiracy sites?

Maybe I might be a 20 per mo., someone else a 200, 2000 and so on.
They (there’s that old they again, you know who I mean, the Powers that be)
might not begin to monitor you until you hit certain # of hits per mo, and I would think it pretty simple to have differing degrees for the various sites for classification.

I think it entirely possible that during the saucer days and possibly until now they love the fact that when people see things in the sky they have another choice to think about rather then the experimental aircraft and weaponry being tried out.......
 
Alek said:
If you accept the possibility that what I'm saying is true, and you aren't willing to make the time to view the film, I would say that is apathetic, and negligent.

There is overwhelming evidence that not only was McVeigh part of a conspiracy, but that the Ryder truck bomb was not responsible for the vast amount of damage present at the Murrah building. The evidence is in the form of local TV news footage spanning not only the day in question, but the weeks and months following the event. The footage includes evidence that there were multiple bombs in the building, eyewitness testimony corroborating multiple explosions, eyewitness testimony of a second passenger in the Ryder truck, evidence of jury tampering, BATF complicity, tampering of evidence, and cover-up, expert testimony that the structural damage the buliding suffered could not have been done by the truck bomb. There is also a plethora of other circumstantial evidence which taken into context implicates elements of the US government. As with the pentagon, surveillance footage was seized. This footage was not used in the trial of McVeigh. All of this is corroborated by multiple local TV stations, reporters, and eyewitness accounts, most of which people outside of Oklahoma City have not seen.
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In other words, no reliable evidence at all.

McVeigh admitted to doing it. He received the death penalty, death by lethal injection. His partner is serving 160 consecutive life sentences without parole. The federal government has instituted regulations requiring protection for federal buildings against bombings of this exact same type, at a rather hefty cost. The evidence - and the admissions of guilt - clearly point to this bombing being exactly what it appeared to be.

If there was a conspiracy, and McVeigh were part of that conspiracy, why'd he have to die? He played his part perfectly. His partner got life. Doesn't sound like a conspiracy theory to me.

Anyway, feel free to present your 'overwhelming evidence'. And please don't include that moronic digitally-altered 'Ryder truck at secret Government compound' pic. That's been debunked twelve ways to Sunday.
 
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