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dubfan said:
Interesting thread over there:

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=414

Started by a AA (?) Flight Attendant who knew Betty Ong. It is astonishing how much 9/11 conspiracy drivel she debunks in that one thread. She subscribes to the LIHOP theory (i.e., Bush Let It Happen On Purpose) -- so she's not totally dismissed as a shill. But the reluctance to accept her obvious expertise and sincerity are astounding. And she's a conspiracy theorist herself (LIHOP, WTC = controlled demo, Bush knew, etc.)!!!

The treatment she receives there is...breathtaking.
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I can only read so much on that forum (usually only a few posts) because, like the proverbial guy who beats his head against the wall, it feels so good when I stop.

Never mind the flight attendant is credulous regarding these events; I won't get into her errors and lack of critical thinking. But this response to her may just top anything I've seen over there:

I wanted to say that just by being here [Ms. Flight Attendant], you make a fantastic contribution to the dialogue. This forum needs lots of diverse opinions and criticisms. Please stick to your guns, read a lot, and spread the word about LooseChange911 around to American Airlines and other air personnel you know -- the more airline industry people, FAA, ATC, who can bring enlightenment on both technical and human issues, the better the discussion!
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"This forum needs lots of diverse opinions and criticisms...enlightenment on both technical and human issues." Words fail me.
 
Regnad Kcin said:
I can only read so much on that forum (usually only a few posts) because, like the proverbial guy who beats his head against the wall, it feels so good when I stop.

Never mind the flight attendant is credulous regarding these events; I won't get into her errors and lack of critical thinking. But this response to her may just top anything I've seen over there:

"This forum needs lots of diverse opinions and criticisms...enlightenment on both technical and human issues." Words fail me.
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That thread sums up the 9/11 conspiracy movement for me. It's all there in a nutshell.

I know what you mean about that forum, too. I actually had to SKIP OVER the CTs who were responding to her. If you read the thread and only look at her replies...you can see how absolutely insane this whole thing is. I am baffled at why it is spreading and taking root in people, and just like Manny & Chipmunk, it's long lost any comedic value for me. I think it's a real problem. In some warped way I feel like it's a civic duty to be over there.
 
dubfan said:
Interesting thread over there:

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=414

Started by a AA (?) Flight Attendant who knew Betty Ong. It is astonishing how much 9/11 conspiracy drivel she debunks in that one thread. She subscribes to the LIHOP theory (i.e., Bush Let It Happen On Purpose) -- so she's not totally dismissed as a shill. But the reluctance to accept her obvious expertise and sincerity are astounding. And she's a conspiracy theorist herself (LIHOP, WTC = controlled demo, Bush knew, etc.)!!!

The treatment she receives there is...breathtaking.
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Makes the mind boggle how someone can see through the layers of sedimented BS regarding the Pentagon crash, but still be taken in by the WTC controlled-demolition garbage. That guy who does the Pentagonresearch.com website, which thoroughly debunks the "no plane" malarkey (I'm running out of synonyms for BS) is the same guy who thoroughly believes the WTC was blown up by Bush.
 
The only problem I have with the simplest explaination is it doesn't explain how these guys learned how to fly like JAG pilots.
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Like I've been saying, everything these children have learned, they learned from TV and movies.
 
dubfan said:
...I know what you mean about that forum, too. I actually had to SKIP OVER the CTs who were responding to her. If you read the thread and only look at her replies...you can see how absolutely insane this whole thing is. I am baffled at why it is spreading and taking root in people, and just like Manny & Chipmunk, it's long lost any comedic value for me. I think it's a real problem. In some warped way I feel like it's a civic duty to be over there.
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I know if I were to post there it would be fairly easy to do. I'd simply compose the following, save it, and copy 'n paste the message each time I wished to contribute:

Dear 9/11 conspiracy theorists,

You're 100% wrong.

Love,

RK
 
The only problem I have with the simplest explaination is it doesn't explain how these guys learned how to fly like JAG pilots.
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He needs to explain WHY these guys would have to learn to fly like JAG pilots. There was no take-off or landing experience required, they hijacked the planes AFTER they were airborne. Hell, even ~I~ have flown a plane after it's in the air, and I've had no pilot training whatsoever.

RayG
 
RayG said:
He needs to explain WHY these guys would have to learn to fly like JAG pilots. There was no take-off or landing experience required, they hijacked the planes AFTER they were airborne. Hell, even ~I~ have flown a plane after it's in the air, and I've had no pilot training whatsoever.

RayG
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AAARGH!! There are NO JAG pilots in the real world! That was a gawddamn TV show!

Sorry, man. It just WE need to get our crap straight. If for nothing else than our own knowledge that we did.
 
Regnad Kcin said:
I can only read so much on that forum (usually only a few posts) because, like the proverbial guy who beats his head against the wall, it feels so good when I stop.

Never mind the flight attendant is credulous regarding these events; I won't get into her errors and lack of critical thinking. But this response to her may just top anything I've seen over there:

"This forum needs lots of diverse opinions and criticisms...enlightenment on both technical and human issues." Words fail me.
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Here's the interesting thing with that flight attendant: Her inside knowledge of the airline industry allows her to see through a lot of the absurd hypothoses put forward by those who don't have the expertise to discern whether they are plausible or not.

However, she fails to see that her own lack of training in engineering, physics, etc., might possibly, just possibly, prevent her from being able to make a sound judgement on whether the buildings could have collapsed from a plane impact/fire alone.

Selective intellect is fascinating. But mildly disturbing.
 
Can I get a list of people from this forum who were physically at the crash sites?
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I think the problem is that there tends to be an inverse relationship between the usefulness of a person in society and their distance from some of the most dynamic, cutting-edge business and military activity in the world.

Translation: No, none of the Loosers were anywhere NEAR those sites.
 
RayG said:
He needs to explain WHY these guys would have to learn to fly like JAG pilots. There was no take-off or landing experience required, they hijacked the planes AFTER they were airborne. Hell, even ~I~ have flown a plane after it's in the air, and I've had no pilot training whatsoever.

RayG
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It's possible that any one of us here could have rammed these jets in the WTC if we had hijacked it. For some reason, someone over at the CT crowd thinks that in order to use a jet as a ram you've got to pilot it as though yo were planning to land it, eventually...
 
Belz... said:
It's possible that any one of us here could have rammed these jets in the WTC if we had hijacked it. For some reason, someone over at the CT crowd thinks that in order to use a jet as a ram you've got to pilot it as though yo were planning to land it, eventually...
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To be absolutely fair, I've seen from several credible sources that airliners are difficult to handle at high speeds near the ground because of the greater air pressure -- they just aren't designed to go full speed except at high altitude.

However, in answer to the CT question "how is it possible"...

THEY WENT TO FLIGHT SCHOOL.
 
aggle-rithm said:
To be absolutely fair, I've seen from several credible sources that airliners are difficult to handle at high speeds near the ground because of the greater air pressure -- they just aren't designed to go full speed except at high altitude.

However, in answer to the CT question "how is it possible"...

THEY WENT TO FLIGHT SCHOOL.
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I think more recent estimates of the speed of the plane that hit the Pentagon are ~350 mph.

Ever wonder why they crashed into the side of the Pentagon? Seems to me that far more damage could have been done by hitting the roof at a low angle. But this would require a high degree of piloting skill, far easier to just maintain a low altitude and hit the side.
 
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