Loose Change

[rwguinn]

You're right about the plane that sliced through the top portion and weakened the area of the impact. But do you think it might be possible that explosives could be preplanted underneath the impact to weaken/cut supports as it explodes to allow the building collapse to it's footprint?

By the way do you consider the former head of Star Wars Program under presidents jimmy carter and gerald ford a conspiracy theorist?

http://www.propagandamatrix.com/articles/april2006/040406mainsuspect.htm

NO and NO.
Idiot. Lousy attempt at a derail...

 

[Pardalis]

So, none of these "facts" (unreferenced) have anything to do with the supposed "controlled demolition" of the twin towers.

Nor do they indicate that the Bush administration knew specifically about the 9/11 plot.

-Bush claimed the attack came as a surprise (fact)
-bin Laden denies involvement for 2nd time in front of a video camera (fact)

So you take the word of a terrorist over the one of your elected president. That's nice. I myself don't particularly trust politicians, but I also REALLY don't trust terrorists.

In your list of facts, you conveniently ommit to report the following:

-febuary 26 1993, a missed Al Qaeda attack on the WTC (FACT)
-Al Qaeda bombing at a U.S. military facility in Riyadh in November 1995, in Saudi Arabia (FACT)
-1996 Khobar Towers bombing by Al Qaeda, Saudi Arabia (FACT)
-August 1998, Al Qaeda bombs the U.S. embassies in Nairobi, Kenya, and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania (FACT)
-December 1999 into 2000, Al Qaeda failed attacks against U.S. and Israeli tourists in Jordan for millennial celebrations (Jordanian authorities thwarted the planned attacks and put 28 suspects on trial) (FACT)
-same year, failed planned bombing of the Los Angeles International Airport in Los Angeles, bomber Ahmed Ressam was caught at the US-Canadian border with explosives in the trunk of his car. (FACT)
-Al Qadea attack on the U.S. warship USS Cole in October 2000 (FACT)
-december 2000, the German police foiled a plot to destroy a cathedral in Strasbourg, France (FACT)
-september 11, Al Qaeda operatives highkjack airline jets and fly them into the WTC and the pentagon (FACT)
-september 11, failed attack on the White house, the passengers of flight 93 over powered the Al Qaeda highjackers. (FACT)
-October 2002, Bali bombings by the group Jemaah Islamiyah, linked to Al Qaeda. (FACT)
-March 11, 2004 commuter trains are bombed in Madrid, by Al Qaeda (FACT)
-7th of July 2005 London subway and double decker bus bombings attributed to Al Qaeda (FACT)
-July 23, 2005, Al-Qaeda is suspected of being involved with the Sharm el-Sheikh attacks in Egypt. (FACT)
-November 9, 2005 Al Qaeda strongly suspected for bombing of American owned hotels in Amman, Jordan. (FACT)

And so on....

(edited for typo)

 

[Regnad Kcin]

You're right about the plane that sliced through the top portion and weakened the area of the impact. But do you think it might be possible that explosives could be preplanted underneath the impact to weaken/cut supports as it explodes to allow the building collapse to it's footprint?

No, Occam's Razor and all.

 

[senorpogo]

You're right about the plane that sliced through the top portion and weakened the area of the impact. But do you think it might be possible that explosives could be preplanted underneath the impact to weaken/cut supports as it explodes to allow the building collapse to it's footprint?

By the way do you consider the former head of Star Wars Program under presidents jimmy carter and gerald ford a conspiracy theorist?

http://www.propagandamatrix.com/articles/april2006/040406mainsuspect.htm

Here's a question that's been asked throughout this thread - why was it necessary for the conspiracy to have the towers fall? If the point was to create a "new Pearl Harbor", wouldn't the attacks themselves (planes crashing into the buildings) have been enough to achieve that goal? You don't see anything ridiculous in the need to blow them up as well?

And, yes, regardless of credentials, when someone theorizes about a conspircay, they are, by definition, a conspiracy theorist.

 

[Regnad Kcin]

Here's a question that's been asked throughout this thread - why was it necessary for the conspiracy to have the towers fall? If the point was to create a "new Pearl Harbor", wouldn't the attacks themselves (planes crashing into the buildings) have been enough to achieve that goal? You don't see anything ridiculous in the need to blow them up as well?

As one who has suggested as much, naturally I agree.

Seems to me the image of two massively damaged towers constantly on display for the whole world to see would be quite a powerful FU. Not coincidentally, as he recounted to one of his followers on the video released not long after the attack, OBL did not expect the buildings to fall once the planes hit.

 

[Polaris]

Once I started to see the light that sept 11 was an inside job, everything became much clearer. It's now easier for me to recongize propaganda whenever I see it.

"Once I started to see the light that Jesus was Lord, everything became much clearer. Now it's easier for me to recognize the work of Satan whenever I see it."

We have here belief without evidence in notions that fly in the face of existing evidence and mental gymnastics when the fallacies are pointed out. CTs are faith-based, secular religions.

Also geggy, where I come from, "third eye" is something that occasionally requires Preparation H.

 

[Pardalis]

Here's a good read for our friend the gecko.

http://www.publiceye.org/conspire/Post911/dubious_claims.html

 

[tsig]

Danger! Danger! Will Robinson

Yeah I'm starting now to see why Bush administration is getting away with it...

[qimg]

CAREFUL ! Do not click on any of gaggy's links. I did and had to turn off firefox to escape

 

[bob_kark]

By the way do you consider the former head of Star Wars Program under presidents jimmy carter and gerald ford a conspiracy theorist?

Oh, you mean Dr. Robert Bowman? Yes, he is a conspiracy nut. From his website.

The illegal bombing of Serbia and Kosovo had nothing to do with ethnic cleansing, but money. We should end our occupation. See Kosovo article on www.rmbowman.com/ssn for much more.

New World Order: The New World Order got its start with Charlie Wilson (chairman of General Motors and later Secretary of Defense) and Krupp Industries in Hitler’s Germany in the 1930s. It got a big push from David Rockefeller in 1960 with the Trilateral Commission, and reached its fruition under George H. W. Bush. It incorporates the IMF, the World Bank, the G-8, and the WTO. It rules the world on behalf of the billionaire industrialists and bankers. It is global capitalism run amok. It manipulates public opinion through its corporate media monopolies. If we can’t take back America, there’s not much hope for the rest of the world.

From A Veteran's View

Let’s face it, we Democrats face a rigged electoral system, election-day intimidation, voter purges, and other skullduggery, not to mention the Republican-owned, programmed, and operated voting machines with no paper trail. We also face the most deceitful, manipulative, and corrupt national administration in our nation’s history. Karl Rove is a master illusionist, and Dick Cheney is a crafty genius. Together they have turned an affable idiot into a two-term president.

Don't get me wrong, I do actually think he means well, but he seems to be blinded by politics. In addition, all of his statements were not from first hand knowledge, they are just accusations.

 

[aggle-rithm]

geggy:

If WTC7 was demolished, why was it done secretly when all the other heavily damaged buildings in the area were demolished out in the open?

 

[aggle-rithm]

By the way do you consider the former head of Star Wars Program under presidents jimmy carter and gerald ford a conspiracy theorist?

Evidence that the Star Wars program originated during the Carter Administration?

 

[aggle-rithm]

Evidence that the Star Wars program originated during the Carter Administration?

Sorry, that would be the FORD administration. Even less credible.

 

[geggy]

Padallas

Al Qaeda was not involved with the london bombing: http://observer.guardian.co.uk/politics/story/0,,1750279,00.html

In every other bombings you've listed had weird anomalies surrounding the attacks and most doubt al qaeda had any involvement. But it would take me forever to gather links and post it here.

As for the wtc...I thought it might be interesting for you to know that the asbestos on first several floors of each world trade were extremely high in volume and posed a serious health threat. The leaseholder of the wtc was forced to either remove the asbestos or condemn the buildings. But he couldn't afford to shut down the wtc and struggled for years to find an interest party to take over the lease. So came along larry silverstein who took over the lease few weeks prior to sept 11. The twin towers became useful for staging the new pearl harbor. The possible deliberation of imploding both of the towers were to maximize shock and profit.

Wtc buildings 3, 4, 5 and 6 all were demolished few days later by demolition crew.

 

[Manny]

Hey geggy, to where did you take your newfound information about the cut columns?

And are you doing this for free or is al Qaeda paying you?

 

[Blackwell]

Padallas

Al Qaeda was not involved with the london bombing: http://observer.guardian.co.uk/politics/story/0,,1750279,00.html

In every other bombings you've listed had weird anomalies surrounding the attacks and most doubt al qaeda had any involvement. But it would take me forever to gather links and post it here.

As for the wtc...I thought it might be interesting for you to know that the asbestos on first several floors of each world trade were extremely high in volume and posed a serious health threat. The leaseholder of the wtc was forced to either remove the asbestos or condemn the buildings. But he couldn't afford to shut down the wtc and struggled for years to find an interest party to take over the lease. So came along larry silverstein who took over the lease few weeks prior to sept 11. The twin towers became useful for staging the new pearl harbor. The possible deliberation of imploding both of the towers were to maximize shock and profit.

Wtc buildings 3, 4, 5 and 6 all were demolished few days later by demolition crew.

Wow. Just wow. Geggy, you really are intellectually stunted. It's severely bad form to make all these claims without backing them up (yes, I know it's easier your way, but PLEASE try not to be so lazy.)

 

[aggle-rithm]

Padallas


Wtc buildings 3, 4, 5 and 6 all were demolished few days later by demolition crew.

geggy:

If WTC7 was demolished, why was it done secretly when all the other heavily damaged buildings in the area were demolished out in the open?

 

[Pardalis]

Al Qaeda was not involved with the london bombing: http://observer.guardian.co.uk/politics/story/0,,1750279,00.html

I stand corrected.

In every other bombings you've listed had weird anomalies surrounding the attacks and most doubt al qaeda had any involvement. But it would take me forever to gather links and post it here.

This is unadulterated stupidity.

 

[Pardalis]

Wow. Just wow. Geggy, you really are intellectually stunted. It's severely bad form to make all these claims without backing them up (yes, I know it's easier your way, but PLEASE try not to be so lazy.)

The worst thing about it is that geggy isn't just an isolated case of lunacy. This is widespread, it's an epidemic.

 

[delphi_ote]

geggy:

If WTC7 was demolished, why was it done secretly when all the other heavily damaged buildings in the area were demolished out in the open?

Don't be silly. Cowardly conspiracy theorists like greggy won't answer devastating questions like this one.

 

[Gravy]

Well, I am surprised that geggy is still trolling here. This morning we had an exchange in which he said "trust me" and "this is no BS," and I showed him that he cannot be trusted and is full of BS, so I wondered what transformation he's been through since then.

Then I read this:

In every other bombings you've listed had weird anomalies surrounding the attacks and most doubt al qaeda had any involvement. But it would take me forever to gather links and post it here.

As for the wtc...I thought it might be interesting for you to know that the asbestos on first several floors of each world trade were extremely high in volume and posed a serious health threat. The leaseholder of the wtc was forced to either remove the asbestos or condemn the buildings. But he couldn't afford to shut down the wtc and struggled for years to find an interest party to take over the lease. So came along larry silverstein who took over the lease few weeks prior to sept 11. The twin towers became useful for staging the new pearl harbor. The possible deliberation of imploding both of the towers were to maximize shock and profit

It's one thing to be a troll, another to be a blithering idiot troll. Is there some sort of forum award for people like this?

Oh, I forgot, there are awards, over at "Conspiracy Theorists Say the Darndest Things." Well, I've got a few of geggy's posts to nominate. It's not the stupidity that bothers me, it's the aggressive, obnoxious stupidity, just like the Loosers. What a sad person.