Muckar-duva
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So, those of you who aren't confused, how would you explain the collapse to someone who doesn't know a thing? (Practice on me, I'm almost completely uneducated WTC-wise.)
Loose Change - Part IV
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realitybites
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Is it just my computer...?
Or are the LC forums down for everyone else too?
Or are the LC forums down for everyone else too?
I'd say I smell a conspiracy, but right now I'm too stuffed up to tell if it's the Zionists or Bushco.
Hellbound
Merchant of Doom
Actually, it seems the difference may be in the number of floors failing at once. Least the way I'm reading it (and I'm sure our engineers will correct me if I'm mis-reading).
The way I read it is:
THe pancake theroy involved a floor failing. That floor fell on another, causing it to fail, which fell on another, and so on leading to full collapse.
The corrected theory seems to indicate that the perimeter columns failed first. This allowed the sagging floor trusses to pull the perimeter columns inward, causing multiple floors to fail at the same time, resulting in a large mass of degree falling (several floor at once from the damaged areas).
Another differnce: Pancaking implies some sort of stop/stark process and that the floors remain relatively intacta and level as they fall. I think it was more a mass of debris, generally at the same level, with floors failing at differing times in differing locations (differences measured in perhaps tenths of seconds). As to the CTer "then the squibs couldn't be air pressure!" claims, a plunger doesn't have to be level and even. You can get the same effect with cotton balls in a tube, or feathers in a blowgun.
The way I read it is:
THe pancake theroy involved a floor failing. That floor fell on another, causing it to fail, which fell on another, and so on leading to full collapse.
The corrected theory seems to indicate that the perimeter columns failed first. This allowed the sagging floor trusses to pull the perimeter columns inward, causing multiple floors to fail at the same time, resulting in a large mass of degree falling (several floor at once from the damaged areas).
Another differnce: Pancaking implies some sort of stop/stark process and that the floors remain relatively intacta and level as they fall. I think it was more a mass of debris, generally at the same level, with floors failing at differing times in differing locations (differences measured in perhaps tenths of seconds). As to the CTer "then the squibs couldn't be air pressure!" claims, a plunger doesn't have to be level and even. You can get the same effect with cotton balls in a tube, or feathers in a blowgun.
You aren't trolling the internet in the NWO's time, are you? You know how much employers hate that. Back to work, you!
Originally Posted by delphi_ote
NO, THEY DON'T!
Yes, they do.
Wow, I logged off to come home (from ummm, somewhere else, not work. CERTAINLY not work) and another half-page has generated.
The above message gave me an opportunity to mention something that occurred to me from another thread (http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=1662246#post1662246).
The original post, which will sound familiar to you all was simply asking if anyone had explained why the towers fell at free-fall speeds. The person (Christophera) kept asserting that the towers fell "too fast."
Well, I was once taught in a Logic class that a gratuitous assertion can be gratuitously denied.
Which means that the typical playground argument of "Am not," "Are so!!", while incredibly tedious (not to mention childish) is, in fact a valid one.
I propose the next time someone asserts something for, say, the 5th time after having its incorrectness pointed out and explained, we simply revert to "No it doesn't." (or whatever variation applies).
It wouldn't work, of course, because then the Looser's would crow that they "won," but it certainly would be fun.
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ETF: grammatical error.
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Hellbound
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Jennie:
I've pretty much given up on the majority. Now I tend to go for the cheap laughs.
I didn't intend it that way, I just decided to provide the same levels of evidence in my rebuttals that the CTers provide in my post.
I don't think I've posted a link or a calculation since...
I've pretty much given up on the majority. Now I tend to go for the cheap laughs.
I didn't intend it that way, I just decided to provide the same levels of evidence in my rebuttals that the CTers provide in my post.
I don't think I've posted a link or a calculation since...
Which is a shame. Please don't stop sharing your expertise with explosives. Well, if the person sounds like they have at least 2/3 wit, that is.
I've seen those claimes when Timothy Hines' "H.G. Wells The War of the Worlds" was being released. Never came to be.
http://www.pendragonpictures.com/WOTWKEY.html
Hines is a sort of conspiracy nutter as well. Thought the big movie studio's tried to stop him making his true adaption of the book.
Actually, it's a sad story. I had such high hopes for that movie, and it seemed Hines believed in this project all the time.
That was indeed a straight to DVD movie, allthough there was yet another version
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0449040/
ETA: Hines' version was in the making since 2001, long before the Cruise movie. He wanted a modern day version as well, but cancelled those plans after 9/11.
Gee, what nice people those "Scholars" are.
If I get these from anybody, even once, you're off my Christmas list. No second chances. You've been warned.
Listening to Berm Ass on LTW radio, and from the sounds of it, they are going to rename the movement form the "truth" to the "patriot" movement. He hasnt said this directly, but he has called LC and AJs videos, on many occasions in the broadcast, "patriot videos".
so far, I have listened to 15 min of his broadcast, and he has said jack squat about anything else really. First 4 minutes is a song, which I have no doubt was made by his friend DJ whogivesashaite, that whines about "lies, all lies" going on about the "fluoride in the water" and shaite. Then he comes on for a minute, then interupts himself with commercials...entertaining anyway,
http://mp3.rbnlive.com/Jason06.html
TAM
so far, I have listened to 15 min of his broadcast, and he has said jack squat about anything else really. First 4 minutes is a song, which I have no doubt was made by his friend DJ whogivesashaite, that whines about "lies, all lies" going on about the "fluoride in the water" and shaite. Then he comes on for a minute, then interupts himself with commercials...entertaining anyway,
http://mp3.rbnlive.com/Jason06.html
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"Patriot Movement"?
And what did Dr Johnson say about patriotism?
And what did Dr Johnson say about patriotism?
Banned from where? He's not been banned from here: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/member.php?u=12339
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