Loose Change - Part IV

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I think I'm getting close to the end of Thread 1 !!!! I'm on page 108. And this caught my eye:

I've never heard a CTist acknowledge the basic fact that everything from spray cans and pop bottles to undischarged fire extinguishers, power transformers and propane or oxygen tanks can and will explode when immersed in flames.
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Not that that had never occurred to me, but it was the "when immersed in flames" that caught my eye.

I'm not the only one here who remembers when soda came in glass bottles, right? Well in that yesteryear, my husband had the distressing habit of putting one in the freezer and not telling me, nor setting any kind of timer.

About 30 mins later, I would wonder what that funny noise was and then clean all the glass and brown fuzzy ice out of my freezer.

Lots of ways to make an explosion, gang. Lots and lots.
 
Jennie C. said:
I think I'm getting close to the end of Thread 1 !!!! I'm on page 108. And this caught my eye:



Not that that had never occurred to me, but it was the "when immersed in flames" that caught my eye.

I'm not the only one here who remembers when soda came in glass bottles, right? Well in that yesteryear, my husband had the distressing habit of putting one in the freezer and not telling me, nor setting any kind of timer.

About 30 mins later, I would wonder what that funny noise was and then clean all the glass and brown fuzzy ice out of my freezer.

Lots of ways to make an explosion, gang. Lots and lots.
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You are saying they used Coke and a giant freezer to bring down the WTC? :p
 
Huntsman said:
However, again, I find it highly unlikely that a person without a Top Secret clearance would be allowed to work in an area where TS documents were stored, without being granted that same clearance level. Does Chavez claim he had a TS clearance?
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In my experience, there is no way in hell something like this would happen. Nobody handles TS documents like that. Especially when the content is something seriously compromising.

His story basically boils down to a guy who doesn't know the first thing about classified materials and has seen one too many action movies trying to give himself credibility that nobody can check.
 
Discovery Times is broadcasting a 9-11 show right now complete with computer enacments.

Destroys the CTers
 
T.A.M. said:
Well this is suppose to be my 1,000th post, so here it goes...

9/11 - Press for the Truth
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I just finished watching this documentary. It is a 9/11 film that follows the pathes of the "Jersey Girls" as well as "independent researcher" Paul Thompson.

This film has been touted by almost all of the "9/11 Truth" movement as the "undebunkable" documentary for them, and that it is the ultimate film to represent their stance. Well if that is the case, than all I can say is that 90% of the people who claim to be a part of that "9/11 Truth" movement, are lying. Why do I say this. Not because the film is "debunkable", it maybe, but I do not have all the knowledge to debunk it myself. No, the reason I say they are lying is very simple. 90% of the people who we encounter at the various CT websites, the "Scholars" the "LTW Followers" the "Truth Trolls" push enormous amounts of conjecture, heresay, speculation, and downright wrong "evidence" that has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the points made in this film. So any "truther" who says that this film is the best representation of what they "are about" is likely lying.

This movie does not, IN ANY WAY, make mention of, debate over, or even recognize, arguments concerning the "Controlled Demolition" or the "Missile into the Pentagon" or the "No Hijackers", or any of the hundreds of "Truth" conjectures/theories about 9/11. If you are about to watch the film expecting to find ANY of this in it, do not waste your time.

This film, I believe, is one of the more honest films, in terms of what really needs to be asked about 9/11. It begs questions on what role did "Pakistan" play in 9/11 funding. I do not claim to know, but I think that the american people are entitled to a well researched answer. It asks the questions concerning "What did the USG know about an impending attack on the US prior to 9/11" and I believe this is a question that should be answered. I believe, to a large degree, it has...if you know where to look for the info.

What this film does not do, is it does not implicate the USG in an "inside job", it does not say "Bush did it" it does not go into PNAC or any of the rediculous things we have been forced to debunk to keep the air clear in cyberspace.

I am still a full fledged debunker, don't get me wrong. I still believe the towers were brought down by Al-Qaeda Hijackers, in cohorts with OBL. I believe the Pentagon was hit by AA77, and I believe in the heroic efforts of the passengers of flight 93. What this film has done for me, is made me realize that the loons of the "truth" movement have distracted many of us from realizing that a part of their "movement" are legitimate people, with legitimate questions for their government. Now if the vast majority of their questions have been answered through the Commission report and all the other information out there, than fine, but if the victim families of the 9/11 attacks feel that the vast majority of their questions have gone unanswered, to their satisfaction, than I say they have a right to the answers.

My final thoughts are for those people that seek the "Truth" about 9/11, those that seek the "Real Truth". For those people I would say, clean your house. Get rid of all the useless junk scientists, the loony tunes, the wingnuts. Get rid of all the silly "theories" of "No Planes" and "Thermite", and "Cruise Missiles". Get rid of the LC lunatics. This, I know, would be a courageous thing to do, as the "Truth" movement owes alot of its publicity to their cockamame tall tales. Trust me though, in the end, if your cause is to win the hearts and minds of the american people, and reasonable people worldwide, you will have to keep the "Truth" house in order, and right now it is in such disarray, that it will only fade further, and further, until the world forgets there were even questions that have not been answered.

TAM
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TAM this is an excellent post, I hope you don't mind but I would like to copy and paste this on to other forums.

stateofgarce.
 
Gravy said:
posted by mickky in the 9/11 editorials thread:

"The Hopeless Stupidity of 9/11 Conspiracies" by Matt Taibbi, Rolling Stone
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Here's a great line from that Rolling Stone article:

If you can't put all of these alleged scientific impossibilities together into a story that makes sense, then all you're doing is jerking off -- and it's not like no one's ever done that on the Internet before.
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Jerking off, JAQing off, same thing :D
 
delphi_ote said:
In my experience, there is no way in hell something like this would happen. Nobody handles TS documents like that. Especially when the content is something seriously compromising.

His story basically boils down to a guy who doesn't know the first thing about classified materials and has seen one too many action movies trying to give himself credibility that nobody can check.
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Yeah, pretty much my assessment as well. It's technically possible, but very, very unlikely.

I've only worked with Secret rated materials, although I had a buddy that handled TS/SCI level info (technical and tactical intelligence). So I know a bit about it :)

If you check the Lauro Chavez thread, I've sent an FOIA request for all publicly releasable records related to this guy...we currently believe his DD 214 was doctored.
 
Jennie C. said:
I'm not the only one here who remembers when soda came in glass bottles, right? Well in that yesteryear, my husband had the distressing habit of putting one in the freezer and not telling me, nor setting any kind of timer.
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As a complete aside, they still sell cola and a few other assorted soft drinks in glass bottle here in Norway. Good thing too, because it really tastes much better than in the plastic bottles. Especially the 1.5 liter plastic bottles.
 
Hawk one said:
As a complete aside, they still sell cola and a few other assorted soft drinks in glass bottle here in Norway. Good thing too, because it really tastes much better than in the plastic bottles. Especially the 1.5 liter plastic bottles.
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It's mostly plastic here in Australia though recently I visited a seafood restaurant and all the coke/fanta/sprite were in old style glass bottles in the chiller, took me back quite a way that did.
 
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