Loose Change - Part IV

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There is no doubt the site seems to have a conservative slant. I think the advertising banners are from an advertising source though, albeit a conservative one. There are different adverts up their now.

I guess it is likely as good as most of the sources the CTs use, but you are right, not as good a source as lets say a CNN (although I got the article through a link from Glen Beck site).

TAM
 
Hi all, 1st post here. I've been reading through this thread and found a lot of good info. I found this on YouTube and thought you might like to see it...

http'//www'youtube'com/watch?v=DzR-q0ijbV0

JohnDoeX seems to be the only person that recieved this animation from the NTSB

ps, sorry if it's already been posted

cheers
 
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I will check out the video.

TAM
 
I found this on YouTube and thought you might like to see it...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzR-q0ijbV0

JohnDoeX seems to be the only person that recieved this animation from the NTSB
I'm not sure who all got that video from the NTSB. What strikes me most about the video is the poor altitude control that Hanjour demonstrated. The descending turn is not at all a nice, smoothly-controlled descent. He drops altitude in the first part, then actually climbs for a while until he notices, the drops at a rapid rate, slows that down, etc. Right before the roll-out he's not even descending at all, then when he rolls out he suddenly starts losing lots of altitude.

An instrument missing from the video is the Vertical Speed Indicator - I'd like to see that instead of having to mentally differentiate the altimeter. And I'd like to see a g-force indicator. It would have been a pretty uncomfortable ride for the passengers - they would have felt like they were on a roller coaster.
 
I got a nice email today that I plan on posting soon. Although I don't know if I need to ask to "'expose it" first if I keep the name anoymous. I'm sure most of you know this already, but this is someone from the inside

Hey Mark,
I'm currently serving as an Army officer in the Medical Service Corps -
basically the logistics side of the medical field in the military, planning and
running the doctors, PAs, and medics that make up the provider side.

I just wanted to mention real quick something about the MASCAL reference in the
original "Loose Change" video that I don't think a lot of people realize.
First of all, MASCAL is military shorthand for MASs CASualty - a term that
means any time there are more casualties than there are medical
facilities/providers to treat them. A MASCAL can be as small as two soldiers
wounded on the battlefield with only one medic to treat them, and as large as
something like 9/11. Any time the wounded outnumber the treatment available,
it is considered a MASCAL.

Going along with that, "Loose Change" makes it sound like the MASCAL exercise at
the Pentagon was a rare occurence, something special and out of the ordinary.
To the contrary - as anyone in the medical field can tell you, MASCAL exercises
are conducted yearly on every Army installation in the country in order to test
emergency systems and practice medical training on a massive scale across the
post. Considering the Pentagon is a military installation with its own medical
section, it would not be out of the ordinary to have said medical section
involving other components in planning and exercising MASCAL training once a
year.

Not only that, but MASCAL exercises typically use threat ideas as the basis for
the training. Earlier this year I was serving at a military installation that
used the idea of a carbomb going off on post to train the MASCAL exercise.
Other MASCAL exercises that fellow soldiers I know of have trained at involved
dirty bombs, out of control riots, chemical weapons, and the like. Considering
the Pentagon's proximity to Reagan National, it would make sense that they would
use the unlikely but realistic scenario of a plane crash to train the medical
personnel on site and to test the in place emergency services.

Just something that a lot of people wouldn't know, that taken out of context
seems like a likely conspiracy theory supporting fact - when in reality it is a
common facet of the military medical community and nothing more than annual
training for medical personnel.

Thanks for working hard to fight the myth of a government-planned and operated
9/11 - it's good to see someone out there still has their head screwed on
right.
 
Just something that a lot of people wouldn't know, that taken out of context seems like a likely conspiracy theory supporting fact...

Be careful, or this quote might be chopped up and used in the next edition of LC.

"...a likely conspiracy..." - U.S. Military insider.

ETA: Woohoo! 100 posts!
 
Just to support the point MarkyX,

I was also a medic in the militayr for some time. In my three years as a medic on active duty (rest of my time was Guard or Reserves), I participated in four mass casualty exercises:

1. Simulation of a chemical attack during a NATO TacEval (Tactical Evaluation), military assets only (although from multiple nations).
2. Simulation of a terrorist bombing of a bus...exercise required coordination with civillian authorities.
3. Simulation of conventional bomb attack during field exercise (military assets only).
4. Simulation of a terrorist attack on a hospital (required coordination with local German authorities and civillian personel).

So they are not rare occurances, and are done regularly...typically about once a year, more often during certain circumstances. We did both 1 and 2 above were within a year, and were done in preperation for a deployment. The other two were routinely scheduled evals. Also note that this was from 1994 to 1997, before terrorist attacks became a much larger threat/issue.
 
I got a nice email today that I plan on posting soon. Although I don't know if I need to ask to "'expose it" first if I keep the name anoymous. I'm sure most of you know this already, but this is someone from the inside

That's a great e-mail, Mark. Even if it was for this one person alone, your fight is worth it.

I'm not sure, but maybe you can contact the Pentagon press officer and ask if he can verify the statements? (offcourse after consulting the sir who mailed it) Not that I don't believe this sir, but it makes even stronger counter argumenty if two people confirm this explaination.
 
So I am listening to AJ talk to Lauro Chavez. So Chavez says that an airforce colonel in charge of the airforce said that there was a "Standown" order given.

Alex asks "Do you remember the name of the colonel"

Chavez "No"

Alex says "Well we will have to get photos of the colonels there and have you identify him, so that we can get him under oath in front of a grand jury."

Ya...we'll see how far that goes...

TAM
 
So I am listening to AJ talk to Lauro Chavez. So Chavez says that an airforce colonel in charge of the airforce said that there was a "Standown" order given.

Alex asks "Do you remember the name of the colonel"

Chavez "No"

Alex says "Well we will have to get photos of the colonels there and have you identify him, so that we can get him under oath in front of a grand jury."

Ya...we'll see how far that goes...

TAM

Yes, indeed.

I think I'll add this tidbit to my daytimer to follow up on in three months' time, and then send a query to AJ along the lines of, "so how's that working out for you?"

Heh heh.
 
So I am listening to AJ talk to Lauro Chavez. So Chavez says that an airforce colonel in charge of the airforce said that there was a "Standown" order given.

Alex asks "Do you remember the name of the colonel"

Chavez "No"

Alex says "Well we will have to get photos of the colonels there and have you identify him, so that we can get him under oath in front of a grand jury."

Ya...we'll see how far that goes...

TAM

Chavez is a complete fraud. No surprise they have started several threads on him on the Loose Change forum. How much do you want to bet Fetzer starts promoting him on his radio show Thursday?
 
So whatever happened with the LC'ers "smoking gun" witness from the gas station who isn't standing where he claimed he was in the recently released surveillence tape?
 
So whatever happened with the LC'ers "smoking gun" witness from the gas station who isn't standing where he claimed he was in the recently released surveillence tape?

His non-appearance in the surveillance videos released from the gas station where he worked appears to have caused some difficulty with his story...

Gee, go figure.
 
<snip> So Chavez says that an airforce colonel in charge of the airforce said that there was a "Standown" order given.

Alex asks "Do you remember the name of the colonel"

Chavez "No"

Alex says "Well we will have to get photos of the colonels there and have you identify him, so that we can get him under oath in front of a grand jury."

<snip>
/QUOTE]

Am I to understand from this that Chavez thinks that a COLONEL is in charge of the United States Air Force? How many generals are there in the USAF, anyway? I'd guess dozens, if not hundreds. Any one of whom rank this alleged colonel-in-chief.:bwall
 
A rather crappy video of WTC7 footage here, the same that Dylan posted a snippet from in the Loose Change forum a short while ago: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IzIVdW0_do

As well as tiny, meaingless flashes, there's another one of their smoking guns in there, a WTC7 worker says: "I was part of the emergency management crew on the 23rd floor and when all the power went out in the building another gentleman and I walked down to the 8th floor and there was an explosion and we were trapped on the 8th floor"

Considering that we know:
a) The collapse of WTC2 took out the power for lower Manhattan
b) The collapse of WTC1 impacted WTC7
C) The collapses were 29 minutes apart

It would be quite reasonable to assume that the 'explosion' was WTC1 collapsing into WTC7.

But why think about it? He said EXPLOSION! :rolleyes:
 
I have a question. If a general, or someone else, leaves a "top secret" document open on a computer within a secure facility, and you are a low E5 fixing a computer, and you happen upon this document,

(a) are you allowed to read through the document (Chavez admits he did)?
(b) Should you then broadcast what was in the document on public radio (as Chavez did on AJs show)?

I'm just asking questions.

TAM
 
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