Loose Change - Part IV

[Submersible]

You can if you order online... knock yourself out.

Did you happen to notice the location of the source you provided in your link?
"If you are looking for the best supply of Vitamin B17 available in Australia, then this is it."

Not suspicious in the slightest that it is hard to get raw apricot seeds:
Cyanide poisoning information. Note especially that Laetrile (B17) has caused deaths through cyanide poisoning. I also see that lima beans are on par with apricot seeds (9 and 10 mg/100g,) and that tapioca puts them both to shame (245g/100g.)

That's it for lima beans for me. Luckily I never liked apricot pits or tapioca.

Lest you think the previous site is part of a US conspiracy, here is a German site that mentions the poisonous effects of apricot seeds.

And in your effort to prove me wrong you point out that at the very least there are two different products that can be purchased from every grocery store in this country that contain more cyanide than B-17.

Apple seeds contain cyanide.
http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/gen99/gen99515.htm

I just wanted to come back and thank you two for helping me prove my point.

Oh, and one more thing.
Do any of you know when was the last time that a major television network or an investigative news reporter was able to address the contents of the American MILK supply?

http://www.thegreatboycott.net/BGH_Trial.html

I read these post last night... I'm debating with myself on if I should read anymore of your exellent replies, or just ignore most of you to prevent myself from insulting you right back.

 

[Submersible]

"They told us to get out of there because they were worried about 7 World Trade Center, which is right behind it, coming down. ... I just remember it was tremendous, tremendous fires going on. Finally they pulled us out." - Richard Banaciski http://tinyurl.com/jbg8l

“7 World Trade was burning from the ground to the ceiling fully involved.” –Firefighter Steve Modica http://tinyurl.com/mc898.

"It had very heavy fire on many floors and I ordered the evacuation of an area sufficient around to protect our members." - Daniel Nigro, Chief of Department http://tinyurl.com/g8c6y

Once the fires developed, according to eyewitness accounts and the NIST investigation, flames were seen on floors 3, 7, 8, 9, 11, 12, 13, 22, 29, and 30.

Submersible, I hope you're learning that you've been relying on very poor sources of information about 9/11.

Maybe your right, but this is what turned me on to the whole 9/11 disaster after I had somewhat put it all past me::

http://www.mishalov.com/wtc_lostvoicesfiredept.html

Fire Commissioner Nicholas Scoppetta told the families that he had not known the tape existed until very recently. Later, he declined to discuss its contents, but said it had a powerful effect on him. "Every time I've seen videotapes, listened to audio recordings or read the accounts of firefighters and their actions on Sept. 11, I've felt the same thing: an extraordinary sense of awe at their incredible professionalism and bravery."

The Port Authority tapes prove the "official report" that explains the outrageous number of firefighter deaths, that was signed by him and the mayor, was a straight up lie.
Maybe my mind got caught up in the conspiracy again because...
well because the FDNY Commissioner and the mayor of NYC was LYING about the reason so many firemen died that day.

"I didn't hear fear, I didn't hear panic," she said. "When the tape is made public to the world, people will hear that they all went about their jobs without fear, and selflessly."

And you have posted quotes from firemen and their chief's which claim that they were afraid that the building was going to "fall down" .

This isn't a "huge" fire compared to the size of the structure, since you've made it obvious that you cannot see through the smoke screen... at least you posted an image that proves that there was NO fire showing on that side of the building prior to collapse.
Look at the other building right next to it, there is structural damage to that building as well, but for some reason there wasn't a single fire caused by the collapse of the twin towers.
hmmmm.

The timing is much longer than that when you consider that there is internal failure. What you see is only what is happening to the outside of the building.

Damn, I'm not even right when I use the statistics provided by the NIST report.
Bull. Fires were huge and engulfed much of the building. We've shown this over and over again. Plus they burned unfought for over seven hours. So I tend not to 'consider' things that are lies.

No, smoke engulfed most of the building.
And like I stated previously, it's awfully suspicious that the FDNY was prepared for tower 7 to "fall down" seven hours before it finally plunged to the ground.
And it doesn't. You are mixing your stupidity and your paranoia.

You follow the words of your leader, and I'll follow the words of mine.

 

[greyleonard]

Oh boy...

from DU thread: The so called internet detectives are jealous as hell and scared of the power of Loose Change.

Yeah, that pack of lies is sooo frightening.

Yep, that reply is priceless and worthless at once, eh?
He's of the mind that it doesn't matter how full of lies the movie is as long it's 'brings people to the issue of 9/11 Truth'.

Okayyyyy.

 

[Alareth]

Yep, that reply is priceless and worthless at once, eh?
He's of the mind that it doesn't matter how full of lies the movie is as long it's 'brings people to the issue of 9/11 Truth'.

Okayyyyy.

The facts only get in the way of "Truth"

 

[Brainster]

Maybe your right, but this is what turned me on to the whole 9/11 disaster after I had somewhat put it all past me::

http://www.mishalov.com/wtc_lostvoicesfiredept.html

The Port Authority tapes prove the "official report" that explains the outrageous number of firefighter deaths, that was signed by him and the mayor, was a straight up lie.
Maybe my mind got caught up in the conspiracy again because...
well because the FDNY Commissioner and the mayor of NYC was LYING about the reason so many firemen died that day.

Explore this issue. Just drop the ridiculous theory that the government was behind the attacks.

And you have posted quotes from firemen and their chief's which claim that they were afraid that the building was going to "fall down" .

This isn't a "huge" fire compared to the size of the structure, since you've made it obvious that you cannot see through the smoke screen... at least you posted an image that proves that there was NO fire showing on that side of the building prior to collapse.

Ah, now we're back on Building 7 are we? But of course what we see is smoke pouring through every broken window in that building, a heck of a lot of which happen to be on the South Side.

Look at the other building right next to it, there is structural damage to that building as well, but for some reason there wasn't a single fire caused by the collapse of the twin towers.
hmmmm.

That building "right next to it" is World Financial 3, which is roughly 50% farther away from either of the towers than WTC 7, but which nonetheless sustained substantial damage. As for the fire in WTC 7 I think there's a little clue in the fact that it was first reported immediately after the collapse of WTC 1, which had a burning airplane and several floors of burning furniture, paper, carpets, etc inside it.

 

[apathoid]

This guy isn't gonna last long at LC.

I've been browsing the Pentagon section for the last hour or so and was ready to hang myself until I found this post:

Talk about a scary day. I live in the Pentagon Row apartments over there on South Joyce Street. That Tuesday sucked hard. I actually had relatives in-town for that week and we were in Arlington National Cemetary when that f*cking plane flew over. Goddamn was it loud and was it fast. Complete havoc insued after the plane crashed. I remember the feeling I felt as I looked across Washington Blvd looking at this building engulfed in flames. My knees buckled. I remember people rubbing the jet fuel off the hoods of their cars as they sat in dead stop traffic completely in a daze at what the f*ck they just saw.

Not sure why they took down the cameras, but have you seen the recent additions to the cameras on and around the Pentagon? Security was huge for a long time there, but now they only have a dozen or so guys with M16's standing out front. Security has definately beefed up in the past week though.

I remember one of my neighbors who's a firefighter describing how hideous it was cleaning up that wreck. I remember him telling me how he saw one of those "Airplane Safety Tips" handbooks floating in the water (this sector of the pengaton was flooded) and he picked it up to find a charred dismembered hand under it. Ugh. He was a wreck for monthes after that whole cleanup. Bodies and just debris everywhere.

Edit: Also, i'm willing to provide any details about the incident that you would like, including times, what I saw, etc. I think I might have a picture of one the street lamps that was knocked over as the plane flew over. I can probably find a picture of that taxi driver who got his cab wrecked by the landing gear (atlteast I think that's what hit it). I don't know why you think there's some huge conspiracy behind this, but it's actually very clear what happened. There's little to be misinterpreted, as I and thousands of others saw the thing fly overhead.

In other news, the "Elite" Pentagon "Research" Team mangaed to interview the cabbie whose car was hit by one of the lamppoles. They dimissed him because he was quite old, frail, and a bit senile and Lloyd's wife said she retired as a clerk for the FBI. Needless to say this guy isnt a no-planer.

 

[Orphia Nay]

Why can't you buy raw apricot seeds in this country?

You can if you order online... knock yourself out.

Did you happen to notice the location of the source you provided in your link?
"If you are looking for the best supply of Vitamin B17 available in Australia, then this is it."
...
I just wanted to come back and thank you two for helping me prove my point.

Hello? You can buy apricot seeds in the US, from that site I posted quickly (after seeing your post and having just seen the link in a new-age magazine in the health food shop I'd just had lunch in). You can buy them online from other countries, or packaged in apricot flesh fresh from your fruit shop or supermarket, and a quick google just found this place in the USA, amongst others .

Oh, and one more thing.
...
I read these post last night... I'm debating with myself on if I should read anymore of your exellent replies, or just ignore most of you to prevent myself from insulting you right back.

It must be more insulting to know you are wrong.

Please tell us what similarities you see between MarkyX's pic of a controlled demolition and the twin towers & WTC7, besides them all being buildings falling down.

 

[MortFurd]

And in your effort to prove me wrong you point out that at the very least there are two different products that can be purchased from every grocery store in this country that contain more cyanide than B-17.

Dude, the cyanide is a breakdown product of B-17. The fact that things are available with higher levels of cyanide (from B-17) kind of demolishes your claim that there's no way to get apricot pits in the US.

As another poster mentioned, if you want apricot pits, just go buy some fresh apricots.

That they aren't available in a packages proves nothing. A reasonable explanation would just be that not enough folks want them to make it worthwhile for anyone to package and sell.

ETA:
I notice you also ignore the cyanide poisoning attributed to Laetrile/B17/Amygdalin.

 

[Alareth]

Ok, I've been over at the SLC blog and reading the comments ...

Is nesnyc really that detached from reality?

Al Qaeda doesn't exist?
Al Jazeera is controlled by the CIA?
Jews control the porn industy?

Is he always like that?

He's making the crowd over at LC sound almost rational....

 

[Alareth]

Gawd, Dylan is going to get his arse handed to him. This is going to be a trainwreck for him. Amy Goodman did a good job trying to keep David Ray Griffin honest during the debate with Chip Berlet. I think she'll do the same with Dylan.

Do you think this punk kid actually believes he will 'win' the debate? My money is that he knows he'll get his teeth knocked in and only wants to use the deabte for publicity. CTs consider spouting the same tired rhetoric to be 'winning' even if the other side debunks the points as the CT is self-evidently troof.

Dylan is getting coaching:

http://s15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=12570

 

[gumboot]

Guess what: table salt = sodium/chlorine !!!

These are highly toxic elements, and yet sodium compounds such as NaCl are not, and in fact are essential to our health and survival.

Or, for example... O^2 is essential for life, yet O^3 is highly poisonous to humans. And that's just adding another atom!

-Andrew

 

[kookbreaker]

Ok, I've been over at the SLC blog and reading the comments ...

Is nesnyc really that detached from reality?

Al Qaeda doesn't exist?
Al Jazeera is controlled by the CIA?
Jews control the porn industy?

Is he always like that?

He's making the crowd over at LC sound almost rational....

Except that nesync is at LC.

He really is one of the worst. Its hard to reason with someone who doesn't realise that being called a Nazi is an insult.

 

[MortFurd]

And you have posted quotes from firemen and their chief's which claim that they were afraid that the building was going to "fall down" .

[qimg]http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/fema/fig-5-19.jpg[/qimg]

[qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=2987&d=1157629710[/qimg]

I'm afraid you don't understand. Do you see how the word "afraid" can be used so as not to mean "quaking in fear and panic?" I listened live to the firemen in the towers on 911. I heard them going about their tasks without panic. They were quite rightly concerned that the towers might collapse. They may have each personally feared for their lives. There was no panic.

Superheroes.

 

[kookbreaker]

No, smoke engulfed most of the building.

And the smoke is caused by what? Evil boy scouts with stink bombs?

And like I stated previously, it's awfully suspicious that the FDNY was prepared for tower 7 to "fall down" seven hours before it finally plunged to the ground.

The seven hours figure is not correct. Firemen can be seen working around the building after the debris cloud from the towers had cleared. by then the fire had been burning for some time.

You desperately want to believe this, don't you?

You follow the words of your leader, and I'll follow the words of mine.

I'm not following a leader, I follow what evidence and relevant experts tell us about the collapse. Not what some desperate, politcally motivated fool invents to confirm to his agenda.

 

[gumboot]

Isn't an HDTV signal something like 6 Mbits/second? 79 Mbytes in 11 seconds is 57 Mbits/second!

Bitrate and memory usage can be quite different. My 10 minute short film, 720x576 avi (video only) is 2.39GB.

DVD-video (MPEG-2), at either 720x480 (NTSC) or 720x576 (PAL) runs at 9.8 Mbit/s.

-Andrew

 

[gumboot]

When I turn in a production to Discovery or History Channel, we turn in a "production book" Usually a 3 ring binder containing: signed releases from the subjects on camera (not necessary for news)

That would be for originating work though wouldn't it?

Isn't it a bit different when a broadcaster is just purchasing a program?

-Andrew

 

[Belz...]

Did you happen to notice the location of the source you provided in your link?
"If you are looking for the best supply of Vitamin B17 available in Australia, then this is it."

If it passes customs then you CAN get it in the US. What are you complaining about ? Now you'll NEVER get cancer, sub.

I just wanted to come back and thank you two for helping me prove my point.

I'm debating with myself

Why am I not surprised ?

 

[Belz...]

[qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=2987&d=1157629710[/qimg]

This isn't a "huge" fire compared to the size of the structure,

You're kidding me, right ? The smoke covers the side of the building from top to bottom and you say it isn't huge ? It's a 50-storey building!

Look at the other building right next to it, there is structural damage to that building as well, but for some reason there wasn't a single fire caused by the collapse of the twin towers.
hmmmm.

Typical CT mentality: even if everything else is NOT equal, two relatively similar events should always look precisely the same.

[qimg]http://i.realone.com/assets/rn/img/7/8/6/1/9961687-9961690-slarge.jpg[/qimg]

You follow the words of your leader, and I'll follow the words of mine.

Leader ? This isn't a world championship, sub. It's about what's true and what isn't. Appeal to authority, by the way.

 

[gumboot]

Do you have an image of a 757 on approach to the pentagon before it crashed ? Didn't that plane make a U-turn and show up on three or four other closed circuit cameras that were swiftly collected by the "men in black"

No.

Why can't you buy raw apricot seeds in this country?

I honestly can't see how this would be an issue. Every apricot has a seed in it. Just go buy a heap of apricots. They're good for you too.

Other than Posilac, the herbicides pesticides and fertilizer monopoly that exist in this country effects us all on a worldwide scale. There are 4 or 5 "Gene Giants" in the world and they have all chosen to "treat" the population of the world with the same recipe. There are a few countries that do not permit (GE) food or seeds.

Wow... someone doesn't know what they're talking about...

(P.S. I live in one of those countries that strictly controls GE)

The convience store, the DMV, and the hotel next door.

And these places have set up security cameras looking at The Pentagon because...?

Your right, I was wrong for saying that... but hey this little war ain't over with yet and there is no talk around the coffee pot concerning an "exit strategy".

If the occupation of Iraq went on for another 50 years it would still be smallfry in the annals of human history.

Where is it? Why was all of the evidence that would PROVE that 19 muslims "attacked" this country destroyed or made unavailable to the American public. Of the few images that do exist, some of them are very misleading because they don't belong to the plane that supposedly crashed at the scene, or show a plume of smoke that flight 93 supposedly "vaporized" in.. including all of the passengers teeth.

I'm sorry, but if you're going to be this dense, I'm afraid we can't help you. The internet is overflowing with this stuff. For starters, in an unprecedented move, all evidence from the Moussaoui trial was publicly released.

And there hasn't been one fanatical terrorist to be found in this country since then eventho' the American war machine is in their home land destroying and taking the lives of a few hundred thousand innocent women and children.

Well, aside from the gross exaggeration of your statistic there, your answer is right there - they aren't in the US because it is a solemn duty for them to protect their own land first. The US military is a better target, so they hit that, and leave American civilians alone. Hence the current admin's tactic is working perfectly.

See above links. or google "B-17" and try to pretend that the FDA is not controlled by ANGELS and it is quite possible that they LIE to U.S.... sometimes.

By the way, Amygdalin (or B17 as you prefer to call it) is more commonly extracted from Almonds. Are they also illegal in the US?

-Andrew

 

[gumboot]

"Organic" dosen't mean non-toxic anyway. Think deadly nightshade, jimson weed, opium poppies. All natural and all poisonous.

One of the curious things I learned in my brief time in the horticulture industry, most organic sprays and what have you are actually MORE dangerous, because they tend to be very general, whereas synthetic and modified sprays can be designed to target a specific thing and not hurt anything else.

Example? All organic slug/snail bait is dangerous to pets (dogs, cats, etc) whereas modified/synthetic/GE slug/snail bait is usually perfectly safe for pets (some of them you could actually eat yourself. You'll get sick, but you ain't gonna die. I strongly discourage such activities though!)

-Andrew